Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

Now you’re into throwing around insults when I haven’t engaged with you for a while. That shows much about your character.

A break of your soul? A break of your bias? A break of your poorly attempted insults?

You can call me what you want. But, I will fervently challenge those continually trying to tear people down. LR mob…interesting choice of words.

Would love your highly educated explanation as to how I’m naive…

Kristen Blumenthal runs way faster and trains for way more hours than any yahoo that has attempted a transcon or Jogle. The way triathletes train with 3 sports mean they attain a much higher level of fitness, muscle mass, and durability than scrawny old runners yelling at the sky, like Cockerell. Triathlon training with its long hours is way better than simply running.

Hold onto your scepters. A new English transcon king is about to be crowned

Sneakers made a joke that got upvotes.. Quick, switch accounts!

Sorry, I don't think you actually DO get where I'm coming from.

There may only be a small number of people who care about the transparency of this thing (though I think a larger number than you might suspect), but they are far more engaged with it (because it's about running, and we love running) than are a bunch of IG followers who have no real clue about what they are witnessing (WG might be one of 20 or 30 other influencers these people follow).

Again, if what he's doing were truly above board, it would be SO easy to address our skepticism, and thus generate some real credibility for his efforts. Easy like swatting a fly.

So, a relatively small number of people, yes, but also a hardcore group, and a very small thing to satisfy us and get us on side. Only muleheaded stubbornness could explain their failure to clean up their data. Or could it be a desire to protect a thus far successful fraud on a naive, non-expert public thirsting for the next inspiration?

P.S. There's a part of me that's not convinced you're not simply trolling. You're beginning to sound a bit like a parody of yourself from earlier posts, like a poorly written TV character. You're now setting yourself up as a defender of faith in the human spirit against a cynical internet mob arrayed around a bitter loner, determined to undermine the efforts of a beautiful soul trying to honor the memory of his dead mother via an epic, record-breaking feat of human endurance!? A bit rich, if you're not just a troll.

This is my assessment as well. It’s evident they simply don’t care about following established norms with regards to tracking or what the core MUT/FKT community thinks. This is a spectacle being created to make money off casual fans or the general public who either don’t know or don’t care.

This is the whole reason it’s established practice to have a live tracker on the runner, which you seem to be ignoring. That way you don’t have to be out there following him to know exactly where he is and where he’s going at any moment, but if you wanted to you would be able to find him and not the van.

Just started paying attention to this thread as someone emailed me about joining them to expose this as a fraud. A few questions as I don't have time to read 80+ pages.

1) Is everyone pretty much certain it's a fraud?
2) How in the world can their be debate after a month of running?
3) Wouldn't someone just have to find them and drive next to them for like 6 hours to see if it's legit or not?
4) What are the biggest red flags besides not publishing their route? I mean that is HIGHLY suspicious.

Stunned, we are even debating it at this point.

Crap, dad is home…

+1

Could it be possible that the GPS watches cut HR data half way through the day when in battery saving mode?

Could the whoop and iphone app data corrupt the watch data?

1) About 90% of posters believe something strange is happening. 90% of Goodge's Instagram followers believe it is legit.

2) Because the only smoking guns are heart rate data that looks impossible during the second half of running days and Goodge doesn't look like an ultra runner or have ultra pedigree.

3) That has been done by boots Will for a few days and there was nothing to note during that time besides accurate HR data and a slow pace.

4) For me the main red flag is satellite tracker stays in one of three vehicles, not on the runner as is customary.

It seems to be too late now to follow the team as Goodge could easily walk to NYC from here, only four or five days to go.

Thank you, Rojo!

1) About 80% of us are convinced it’s a fraud. 10% unsure and 10% are believers.

2) The 10% who are believers are very vocal and persistent. Or possibly just trolling.

3) Goodge is hard to find because he doesn’t wear a tracker. The tracker is on one of their three vans, which can be miles ahead (and able to alert Goodge that someone is looking for him). Also: the crew was hostile towards the OP, who flew out from the UK to observe Goodge. They mocked him in one of their Youtube videos, and they threw rocks at him.

4) Red flags besides the issues with the route are Goodge not wearing a tracker, irregularities in heart rate and pace data, Goodge being a mediocre runner, one instance of his starting point one day being ahead of his end point the previous day, Goodge exaggerating his running accomplishments, Goodge running incognito by covering his entire head, Goodge promoting what most of us believe is a snake oil product (Nu Calm), Goodge showing no signs of fatigue or struggle, and a crew of other ultra runners who could conceivably mule for him.

BOOTS ON THE GROUND L;ETS GOOOOO

1) about 90 %. There are the normal vocal trolls /. Shills talking nonsense who can be safely ignored. Such as sneakers, recruiter57 etc. They are obvious.

2) will started all this. His style is very frustrating. He keeps saying big news ahead, but it's still all HR. The HR issue isn't simple. It's vital to understand his HR is different when monitored than not monitored, and this pattern is 100% consistent over 4 yes. He has worked out how to game the system.

3) he deliberately changes route and has no live tracker. Will went out, and since he was monitored, his HR was normal.

4) his HR, negative splits, amazing paces. He is not a runner, he is a media hound. His abuse of will - on video apparently - when he did go to see him. His face permanently covered when running. his lack of support from the support vehicle. His refusal to wear a tracker or any other simple normal verification method. Him making it impossible for people to run with him despite the event being a 600k media circus.

Noone is expecting you to read the thread. Why don't you employ a journo to do that - it would be their job. (oh, he's suspended, lol).

1) As shown by my analysis of Goodge's Strava data earlier in this thread, Goodge is legitimately running this transcon on foot. I have been there ONLY one that has done any real data analysis in this whole thread, Will Cockerell has repeatedly made up fake numbers like claiming he looked through the entirety of all Strava data for comparison.

2) There is no debate. My analysis of the data show this is legitimately being run on foot. Only Will Cockerell is keeping this thread in a loop because he can't accept that he found nothing following Goodge for 6 days in America and Cockerell is extremely ignorant about heart rate. It's like Will Cockerell has never used a wrist watch with heart rate before. Even the real Pete Kostelnick has repeatedly responded in this thread and on Facebook calling out Will Cockerell's extreme lack of skills.

3) Against my and many others advice, Will Cockerell flew to America and followed Goodge for 6 days and found absolutely nothing. Will Cockerell made up a simpleton "report" claiming he found something which turned out to be false and just more of Cockerell's stupid heart rate obession.

4) The two "red flags" are Will Cockerell's ignorant obsession with wrist watch heart rate and claiming Goodge is too muscular and handsome to be able to run a transcon. Cockerell is acting like an old man gatekeeper because he doesn't want a young, handsome and popular runner to be able to claim that running this transcon was relatively easy. Cockerell only wants old and scrawny runners he approves of to be able to run this. To which I showed the existence of the very muscular Kristen Blumenthal from the triathlete world that can run down scrawny track specialists.

Rojo, you need to ban Will Cockerell for faking numbers like he did in his claimed Strava analysis to smear Goodge.

I don't doubt that the elite ultra distance triathletes could beat most people who try Jogle or Trancon, but they certainly would not get close to beating Dan Lawson or Pete Kostelnick.

Most Joglers and Transconers are doing it for the adventure, not to break records. Anybody that thinks that elite multiday runners are not world class athletes like elite triathletes knows nothing about the sport and your opinions are worthless.

But you're probably just trolling to try and provoke a response. Congratulations, you got one. But at the expense of making yourself look l very ignorant.

You are also complerely wrong that triathletes train for longer hours. I've put in 80 hour training weeks before. That's not normal for a multiday runner, and it's rare that I do that. But my training hours are generally very long, and it's extremely ignorant to suggest that triathletes train harder.

requesting cancellation is typical tactic of people who cant argue the facts.