Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

This actually makes total sense and I actually believe, both of you are total whackos who never admit you are wrong even when caught falsely accusing someone.

Sorry, the marginal value of personal insults went negative 30 pages ago. The jig is up, pal. Let it go.

But there are no officials, governing body or accepted rules for transcon runs. In the days before gps, a diary and the word of the runner was accepted.

Quite a clean day yesterday by the looks of things. What I’d like to know and what I don’t believe is answered here is, say every KM logged under 110bpm is ‘unclean’ then what is the method of logging it as unclean? Muling has been spoken about at length but someone is still by the looks of things travelling at a certain pace, over a KM, just with an abnormally low HR. It just seems wild to say WG is cheating by giving his watch to someone else who magically has an ice cold HR. The distance is still being done unless we are opening up a whole other accusation.. any takes on this?

Actually some footage of him sweating yesterday to match that slightly higher heart rate .... First time I've seen that!!

This is a great day! He could well come in clean for the rest of the run. This page is putting enormous pressure on them, plus he has two fresh new training partners and the finish is in sight. I have no problem with this day. My question is, why do they return clean data like this only 10% of the time, since 2019 for some 15,000kms? What's stopping them?

There are an array of explanations for his ice-cold heart rates [when he has just about the highest of anyone I've ever seen normally]; but at the very top of the tree is "tampering". Muling and the fresh runner having a lower HR is a bit of a red herring. We know full well he often registers as bionic when we know he's out there - ie, with Charlie Grice or with me briefly.

My strong belief is that they tamper with the watch to "f*ck up" the HR as that looks more credible for a long spell - just 60k of rubbish - than if they swap the watch back and forth etc. ie, just swathes of 150 to 120 to 150 to 120 sticks out like a sore thumb. But loads at 100? Meh, "tech fail". Something as simple as slipping a piece of paper between the watch and the skin, or that little good luck flower that's often visible in pix could do the trick.

I am working on a study of 100 random runs by 20 major athletes to show just how many times their HR comes back mangled. 3 in a 100? 20? 50? We know Balenger and Goodge are 90% mangled for 4 years and at least 6 watches at these events. And all as we know in the same manner. I'll pop this up at lunch time.

But this run yesterday? He can have it. Congrats.

this.

I was originally fairly certain it was tech being weird, because optical sensors are fiddly. But as time goes on, you'd think they would quickly say "hey, it's reading wrong because [xyz]", or if it is accurate, stick a chest strap on to show that.

Basically by this point it's off in such a reliable way that I think they would know what was causing it, or at least be able to capture it with evidence that he was running and still returning odd numbers.

I would understand them letting the WC analysis and visit play to their advantage, perfect publicity. However, at some point (2/3 days IMO) after WC leaves, get a tracker on, get it filmed, show the HR live whilst running, live stream.....do everything! Provide irrefutable evidence that this is indeed genuine, then bang, 2 fingers stuck up at WC and the whole running world sits up and takes notice of this incredible effort.

And the fact that it’s one heck of a coincidence that they can produce ‘clean’ data when put under pressure, yet ostensibly don’t know what’s causing his low HRs.

And then do you think he’s sat in the bus whilst somebody else is running it?

It simply doesn't do to speculate. Far too sordid. Vast array of possibilities when one starts to muck around in something like this. We then have to start asking how Vaz got 7 days at Jogle, or Lorz won the Olympic marathon by some 12 minutes, or Ruiz smashed the US record as a plump unknown with a heavy t-shirt and no sweat patterns.

Well, Lorz told the intricate tale of how he did it, and Ruiz' eye-witnesses gave fascinating stories of how she comically jumped in as late as Kenmore Square. As for Vaz, no one knows, and certainly no-one cares. All we know is that he retired from the sport on the spot [as runners are mean], and is now speaking to lawyers [as of 2016].

Well I started out by being intrigued by the run now I'm equally intrigued by the this board. As a newbie I have some very basic questions. Nothing nearly as scientific as HR data:

1 - Will C - why on earth did you fly all that way and simply not tail him. You didn't even have to engage. Seems like you spent longer on the plane than tracking the guy. You went all that way and then came home to complain that he doesn't have anyone tracking him - YOU WERE LITERALLY THERE. Surely you could have hung back and just observed. Why fly for 8 hours to not commit to at least a week of watching him?

2 - Confused as to whether he has people in lockstep with him with the same HR as some have accused. Or if he's being thrown to the wolves, left to fend for himself with no support from his crew, as per Will C's observations. Which is it? One minute his crew are leaving him for dead, the next they're on hand to watch mule for him.

3 - People have compared his finishing spot on Strava one day to his start spot the next, claiming it's out by a couple of miles. Just my view but if you're gonna cheat, why would you knock off such a small amount? People are dumb, but that's a stupid way to lose a record. My Strava often shows me running across water, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

4 - Seeing an awful lot of posts directed at his looks. Please show me where beauty correlates to pace, otherwise y'all just look salty as hell. Let's leave personal attributes to the side unless you can show me where it factors into someone's pace.

5 - Saying it can't be done because it's never been done by someone with a lack of athletic pedigree means Eddie Izzard shouldn't have achieved what they did (In 2009, Izzard completed 43 marathons in 51 days for Sport Relief, despite having no history of long-distance running. In 2016, she ran 27 marathons in 27 days in South Africa in honour of Nelson Mandela, raising £1.35 million) NO HISTORY OF LONG DISTANCE RUNNING. You lot would be stripping Leicester City of their Premier League title if you had the chance judging by some of the reasoning used here. Man City spent more and had better players, therefore this must be a hoax.

6 - Finding a crew, some of which people claim to be doing half of the miles for him, only for Will G to come out at the end of it with all the glory? And all the endorsements and fame? Wow. Find me friends like that. You're asking 4/5 people to do the work with only one coming out as the victor? Unlikely.

7 - There's a week left. Is anyone on here actually going to go and respectfully watch him? Or just mimic the last 50 days on here of mud slinging about his looks, athletic pedigree and claiming he's pocketing money raised in memory of his mother? He's done documentaries before meeting the nurses. They know money is due to come their way. Difficult to be pocketing it, regardless of what fundraising page you're using. He clearly has relationships with Macmillan Cancer Support. If you think he's thieving from them, let's see what the giant cheque says at the end of this.

Like I say, basic observations from a basic observer. But the theme on here seems to be a list of questions and that Will G needs to prove himself, but I don't see much action here, just a whole lotta talk. So back atcha. Some questions and a call to action for the East Coast members.

Also needs to be pointed out that this is his second watch with the "tech fail."

I simply don't know what you're on about. I tailed, tracked and observed him for 65 hours over 5 days. There are foul youtube videos ridiculing and desmirching me, and saying I'm in the twilight zone for jogging back and forth to observe. He threw a rock at my car when he grew completely sick of me.

But now you hop on here and rip me to shreds for not tailing/observing. Thanks for nothing. Not basic observations at all, just b/s.

Points 3, 4, and 5 are all complete waffle. To bring Eddie Izzard into this - honestly! His crew are fully salaried all pretty much doing this as a career in some form or other.

Correct, your observations are eye-wateringly basic, and designed solely to misdirect. The HR is absolutely key, as it shows manipulation and tampering [more on this later], and an HR shows the runner is actually doing it. And it's all been like this for 15,000k and over 4 years of these challenges. And a tracker helps too.

#1 had me confused too. When the brojos changed the originally obscure title to " .... boots currently on the ground" I thought here we go, Laz rides again, but after a few days of boring observation no boots are left. And the only way of determining the validity of this transcon is days of boring observation.

Exactly. I don't care if his mates are wearing a watch, sharing a watch or not wearing a watch. The only way to see if Will is running every step is to watch Will running every step. Forget the endorsement hate, his looks, what he's done in the past. Track the guy for a week. Sleep when he sleeps, tail when he runs. Boring old fashioned surveillance. No need to talk to them or engage with them. Is Will starting every day where he left off?

Will C as you said you were there for 5 days, was that the case? Did you ever see him not running and magically appearing 20 miles up the road? OR if he did indeed run it, did he earn the crown of a "clean day" as granted by you?

Will G and team with a new account in order to spread doubt? Poor attempt.

Your questions regarding Will C's observations would be answered if you had bothered reading the entire thread.

Yes, his data was clean for 4 of my days and one spell of weirdness on a fifth when I was there, when he ran with Balenger and I think was done to throw me off.

But in short, when I observe, heart rate is 90% clean, when I don't 10%.

Heart started to fall off a cliff the moment I left.