Tim Cheruiyot Skipping Bislett Games Dream Mile To Plant Potatoes

some respond more than others wrote:

I know that they are both racists. Neither will even deny it.

And I know that you are unstable.

EPO is real but it doesn't take a 3:35 guy to 3:26. Be realistic. And the clean WR is not 3:33. Insanity. Kiprop was probably a 3:28/3:29 guy clean.

I'd give EPO ~3s over 1500m at the top. Huge advantage in this sport but not taking a 3:35 scrub and making him a world beater.

WR should probably be low 3:28 or something.

It took Ramzi from being a nobody 3.39 type to 3.29!

im unstable? lolz....no im realistic. and i ran track all the way till i finished college eligibility. it can make an 8 second improvement, regardless of what YOU think. "but but but they never did the studies on TOP TIER runners" yeah they dont have to. they saw what it did with SCRUBS who were in shape, and then they saw what it did for ramzi

kiprop is a 3:29 guy outside of monaco, and HE USED EPO. make all the excuses you want, why is it when he wasnt on EPO all he could muster was 3:33-36? while mr El G could muster sub 3:30s anywhere anytime of the week? maybe you dont remember Seville 99?

3:27.65

thats after ROUNDS....el g ran around those times ALL the time, and kiprop only did it in MONACO and could never do that in a WC or olympics, cause he was running clean then. its not that hard to see whats going on. but go ahead and mock me and treat me with the same bitterness as you do the two racists on here

some respond more than others wrote:

I know that they are both racists. Neither will even deny it.

And I know that you are unstable.

EPO is real but it doesn't take a 3:35 guy to 3:26. Be realistic. And the clean WR is not 3:33. Insanity. Kiprop was probably a 3:28/3:29 guy clean.

I'd give EPO ~3s over 1500m at the top. Huge advantage in this sport but not taking a 3:35 scrub and making him a world beater.

WR should probably be low 3:28 or something.

It took Ramzi from being a nobody 3.39 type to 3.29!

Ok what proof do you have for that at all. Just none. So stop it. Three years passed between his 3:39 PB and his 3:29 PB. He was 22 when he ran 3:39 and not a full time athlete. Peak age for 1500m is 26.

Many clean guys can go from 3:39 to 3:34/5 in one year through increased training and better training, avoiding injury and importantly, maturation. You can have the 4 seconds deficit as EPO benefits.

Ramzi was probably a 3:32/3:33 guy clean when he was fully mature at 26 following his elite training regime. The EPO gave him those 3-4 seconds to run 3:29.

ex-runner wrote:

some respond more than others wrote:

It took Ramzi from being a nobody 3.39 type to 3.29!

Ok what proof do you have for that at all. Just none. So stop it. Three years passed between his 3:39 PB and his 3:29 PB. He was 22 when he ran 3:39 and not a full time athlete. Peak age for 1500m is 26.

Many clean guys can go from 3:39 to 3:34/5 in one year through increased training and better training, avoiding injury and importantly, maturation. You can have the 4 seconds deficit as EPO benefits.

Ramzi was probably a 3:32/3:33 guy clean when he was fully mature at 26 following his elite training regime. The EPO gave him those 3-4 seconds to run 3:29.

Peak age for 1500m is 26.

so explain how Mo ran his PR at 30....not your magical 26...

and you can stop the charade, we all know know who you are, some "ex pat, living in europe, not the UK or monaco"

this is why you are arguing about EPO...next will come some links and some quotes within quotes that will really give you away

I live in London.

And Mo ran his PB probably due to PEDs. I just don't see how you can't understand that no amount of testing will prevent Kenyans or anyone else running faster than 3:33-3:35. I almost feel sorry for you that you can't understand this simple statement:

Mo Farah is tested more than any runner on Earth. He still ran 3:28. Doesn't make him clean at all, but shows its possible to run 3:28 whilst being tested constantly.

ex-runner wrote:

m!ndweak wrote:

Peak age for 1500m is 26.

so explain how Mo ran his PR at 30....not your magical 26...

and you can stop the charade, we all know know who you are, some "ex pat, living in europe, not the UK or monaco"

this is why you are arguing about EPO...next will come some links and some quotes within quotes that will really give you away

I live in London.

And Mo ran his PB probably due to PEDs. I just don't see how you can't understand that no amount of testing will prevent Kenyans or anyone else running faster than 3:33-3:35. I almost feel sorry for you that you can't understand this simple statement:

Mo Farah is tested more than any runner on Earth. He still ran 3:28. Doesn't make him clean at all, but shows its possible to run 3:28 whilst being tested constantly.

Yeah, so long as he remembers to answer the doorbell or pays the testers enough tea money when he's wintering in Iten or Ethiopia.

You don't seem to understand that Kiprop went from a 3;26 (and potentially faster) guy to a 3:32 mortal almost overnight and he was still taking EPO, but presumably throttling back.

This, when according to you, he's right at the peak of his athletic prime.

no need to worry, this guy just like his doppelganger "recreationalrunner", has to argue just to argue. passed PED tests or getting busted for PEDs to him is IRREVERENT. all he cares about now on his rant is people will still run sub 3:30, now 3:31....etc

how he comes up with this? well he must think EPO and PEDs dont work, that monaco isnt 2-3 seconds faster than EVER track out there now. like most deniers tosses out ramzi as the PRIME example of what EPO does for a 3:39 runner who is FIT. basically ramzi was german hernandez and got on the sauce and boom WORLD CRUSHING mad man....nope throw that out cause it hurts my theory.

like i said before the reason willis, centro and leo could MEDAL with what in the deniers MINDS as slow 3:34....is cause that is a FAST TIME WHEN RUNNING CLEAN. it is approx 8 seconds slower than mr kiprops best monaco time. or 5 seconds slower than his non monaco time.

i dont know how to make this any clearer but i will try. when the runners who are doing sub 3:30 at monaco get off the EPO cause they FEAR getting busted who then will go sub 3:30? willis is a smart runner, not a time trialer. he isnt going to be the one pushing the sub 3:30 pace. no he will be sitting back trying time a smart kick when people start dying. without that EPO they will DIE. mo running 3:28 and not getting busted for PEDs means NOTHING. he was coached by al sal, kicked it with Aden, and lied about his door bell and his whereabouts. he magically dropped serious TIME in his late 20s (passed his peak according to ex runner), was a so so international runner to UNSTOPPABLE. if he wasnt british would he be protected? NO WAY

classic that it was such a slow time anyways...3:57? how much was the winning purse? i bet it was worth more than a field of potatoes...an such a slug slow time for a sub 3:30 guy...he could have jogged it brah

Coevett wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

I live in London.

And Mo ran his PB probably due to PEDs. I just don't see how you can't understand that no amount of testing will prevent Kenyans or anyone else running faster than 3:33-3:35. I almost feel sorry for you that you can't understand this simple statement:

Mo Farah is tested more than any runner on Earth. He still ran 3:28. Doesn't make him clean at all, but shows its possible to run 3:28 whilst being tested constantly.

Yeah, so long as he remembers to answer the doorbell or pays the testers enough tea money when he's wintering in Iten or Ethiopia.

You don't seem to understand that Kiprop went from a 3;26 (and potentially faster) guy to a 3:32 mortal almost overnight and he was still taking EPO, but presumably throttling back.

This, when according to you, he's right at the peak of his athletic prime.

Farah always trained in altitude in 6 week stints in Ethiopia. I've never heard of him training in Iten.

Kiprop is well known to be one of the most distracted and lazy runners to ever make it as an elite. If you knew what he got up to in his free time back home then you would be surprised he ran any decent times even with drugs. His flakiness cannot be placed down to whether he was cycling or not. Sometimes he just wanted to party and shag instead of training.

That said, I fully understand that PEDs work, I'm one of the voices on here that discredits nonsense spouted by Canova and his elves. Kiprop definitely ran much faster than he could have done whilst on PEDs.

But mindweaks argument was that we have crossed some turning point where increased testing in Kenya will lead to nobody running faster than 3:33, and most struggling to break 3:35. I simply said that's not the case and not even close to what will happen. I pointed out that two have already run 3:31 this year, in May, and that Farah was tested extensively but still ran 3:28. This supposed 'increased testing' in Kenya will not prevent athletes running quicker than 3:30. Doesn't mean they are clean, I doubt Farah was 100% clean.

Anyway I'm obviously going to be proved correct, I already am, so I don't really know why I'm bothering to reply to you or anyone else.

As of next year, or however far back you want to push the timeline (it was this year apparently but then mindweak forgot runners had already done 3:31 so he pushed it back to next year for some reason) athletes will continue to run 3:30/3:31 outside of Monaco, and some of them will be Kenyan. At Monaco, 3:29 and the odd 3:28 will be seen. Although I reckon Cheryuiot is good for 3:27 soon.

The End.

i am seriously mind f*cked........you, rekrunner, el k, and ghost all seem to have all sorts of insider information on kenya and more importantly the top tier runners as if you guys all touch tips together.

you said you are from the UK

rekrunner says he is an expat american living in europe, but not uk or monaco

ghost and el k both say lots of british slang and and talk about this and that about london....but then claim they are from kenya

im super curious if you guys are in kenya all the time, do you rub elbows with rosa and canova? is that how you guys know so much about all the runners and blood values etc etc etc?

- "This supposed 'increased testing' in Kenya will not prevent athletes running quicker than 3:30. Doesn't mean they are clean, I doubt Farah was 100% clean."

what part of mo being protected and the average kenyan isnt not make sense to you?

how is it that everyone in Jamaica but Bolt has been busted for something?

Steve Mulllings busted

Marvin Anderson busted

yohan blake busted

nesta carter busted

Asafa Powell busted

bolt.....tested and tested and tested and squeaky clean

mo was and is protected by the UK as he is their only pride and joy.

more testing in kenya will only produce more busts, more busts will make more people afraid, less people on PEDs the slower they will run. but you cant see this cause you are on this denial myth that kenyans ARE HEADS AND SHOULDERS BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER HUMAN EVER!

if we are all 99.99% the same genetically how is it that one area of the world produces SUPER HUMANS? anyone who thinks this is going against science as we are all so closely related and similar. but yet this myth continues and anyone who says NO is argued with and sometimes called racist.....imagine that, claiming a "race" is superior to all others is fine but to say no to that makes you a racist? lolz

ex-runner wrote:

If I were a Mod I'd delete this thread in a heart beat.

What a load of crap.

Started because El K likes to show off how much he dislikes the British, transcends into I'm not even sure what.

Bullshit

Haha, says the bloke who adds to the crap and bullshit by engaging with m!ndweak.

ex-runner wrote:

I don't really know why I'm bothering to reply to you or anyone else.

Is it to add to the crap and bullshit of a thread you believe shouldn't even be here?

Come in spinner. wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

If I were a Mod I'd delete this thread in a heart beat.

What a load of crap.

Started because El K likes to show off how much he dislikes the British, transcends into I'm not even sure what.

Bullshit

Haha, says the bloke who adds to the crap and bullshit by engaging with m!ndweak.

He and Barakus like to make up stuff. They can't conceive how someone from a country like Kenya could be proud of a place their media depict as backward, uninhabitable and hell on earth, regularly describing it in the most disparaging terms. That, to them, translates as hatred of their own precious little countries. How could anyone not envy what they have? The TV said everybody should and does.

ex-runner wrote:

some respond more than others wrote:

It took Ramzi from being a nobody 3.39 type to 3.29!

Ok what proof do you have for that at all. Just none. So stop it. Three years passed between his 3:39 PB and his 3:29 PB. He was 22 when he ran 3:39 and not a full time athlete. Peak age for 1500m is 26.

Many clean guys can go from 3:39 to 3:34/5 in one year through increased training and better training, avoiding injury and importantly, maturation. You can have the 4 seconds deficit as EPO benefits.

Ramzi was probably a 3:32/3:33 guy clean when he was fully mature at 26 following his elite training regime. The EPO gave him those 3-4 seconds to run 3:29.

What evidence do you have that Ramzi is a "3:32/3:33 guy clean?" Furthermore, what evidence do you have that Ramzi would have achieved his 3:29.14 PB, his WC double-gold and Olympic gold clean? What evidence do you have that he couldn't have had a dramatic improvement in one year without rEPO? And peak age is not 26 for the 1500 - the body's physiological capabilities have reach peak levels by the early 20s and continue to the late 20s for males (e.g. hormonal production, VO2max levels, RBC production, etc.).

Ramzi was considered an also ran at age 22. In late 2002, he started training with Boulami and we see a 9 sec improvement from 2003 - 04 (3:39.30 - 3:30.25/~6%). In 2005, he wins double-gold at Helsinki with astronomically high off-scores of 157.8 & 148! (taken on the day of the 1500 final and the day of 800 final- I believe the 157.8 is highest ever recorded and goes in the hall of fame! Lol). A year later he runs his 3:29.14 PB and two yrs later at Beijing, he wins gold by holding off Kiprop at the line and annihilating a world-class field while on high-octane CERA. Furthermore, upon returning to competition after his ban, the best he could muster was 3:37.59. Assuming he wasn't doping again, perhaps this might be his actual clean best time possible.

IMO, Ramzi was a high-responder to O2-vector doping...not unusual with O2-vector doping. Individual variation, different dosing levels, and some people just get more of a boost from a given dose than others. And since the ABP wasn't implemented yet in 05, no action could be taken with those extremely high off-scores of his at Helsinki. The only thing WADA could do was target test the snot out of him (no less than 21 times between Helinski & Beijing). And If people think a high number of drug tests that athlete passes means anything - think again! Ramzi was able dodge 21 doping controls over 3 yrs! His downfall was he falsely assumed that there was no reliable test for CERA - the positive sample from Beijing on a retest a year later was his undoing.

m!ndweak wrote:

how is it that everyone in Jamaica but Bolt has been busted for something?

Steve Mulllings busted

Marvin Anderson busted

yohan blake busted

nesta carter busted

Asafa Powell busted

bolt.....tested and tested and tested and squeaky clean

I don't know where I heard it (which should make you suspicious as to the likely truth) but it was either on here or at my local track (both of which are not reliable sources). Anyhow it was either after the 100m final or the 4x100m in Rio and a large group of sprinters were walking back through the tunnels and Gatlin was right next to Bolt and the other Jamaicans and numerous other sprinters and it was Gatlin that was singled out for drug testing, while Bolt was left to walk off laughing/dancing/partying on his merry way. In short Bolt is way, way too big to fail. LA was big but wasn't likeable, Bolt is likeable and part of sub culture (he goes on Ellen, Letterman, Top Gear, calls into Man United TV, hands Nadal Grand Slam trophies and starts Formula One races).

Doped to the Max wrote:

Ramzi was considered an also ran at age 22. In late 2002, he started training with Boulami

Say no more, it's the only evidence you'll ever need ?

ex-runner wrote:

That said, I fully understand that PEDs work, I'm one of the voices on here that discredits nonsense spouted by Canova and his elves.

Well...considering that you disagree with m!ndweak on just about everthing, this is good to hear. Many on this forum would dare to question the opinions of the "coaching legend." ?

El Keniano wrote:

Come in spinner. wrote:

Haha, says the bloke who adds to the crap and bullshit by engaging with m!ndweak.

He and Barakus like to make up stuff. They can't conceive how someone from a country like Kenya could be proud of a place their media depict as backward, uninhabitable and hell on earth, regularly describing it in the most disparaging terms. That, to them, translates as hatred of their own precious little countries. How could anyone not envy what they have? The TV said everybody should and does.

Says the man who was clearly not educated in Kenya, if you have ever lived there at all. Either you are/were envious of what the West has, or your parents were.

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

He and Barakus like to make up stuff. They can't conceive how someone from a country like Kenya could be proud of a place their media depict as backward, uninhabitable and hell on earth, regularly describing it in the most disparaging terms. That, to them, translates as hatred of their own precious little countries. How could anyone not envy what they have? The TV said everybody should and does.

Says the man who was clearly not educated in Kenya, if you have ever lived there at all. Either you are/were envious of what the West has, or your parents were.

pretty sure he is just full of white guilt, i dont believe a true kenyan is that racist against whites, but who knows i could be wrong

i was wrong that EPO worked

i was wrong on claiming kiprop would slow down or get popped

i was wrong on sooooo many things, like i was wrong that $32 isnt sh*t in kenya, man i was way off on that one...i mean the exchange rate is $1=100 shekels, i figured $32 could get you a bit in kenya, turns out you get more with $32 in the states than in kenya...who would have known

ps.....ex runner, ghost, el k, and the random handles......i am sure they are all white, all from the UK, and its a split of which ones are white guilt and spraying racist things about whites, while the others claim EPO barely works but kenyans are still dirty. its pretty confusing to read actually

did brits cheat? yes

did the US cheat? yes

did russia cheat? yes

did kenyna cheat? NO WAY MAN, they are JUST BETTER!!! if you say they took PEDs your a racist....or yes they cheat but only very very recently and since they are sooo much better its not like they got much out of taking PEDs

this place its a riot i tell you. lolz and more lolz

how can you have a thread about potatoes turn into two brits arguing about who is more racists (one of which is pretending to be african lolz, i guess he can do that if men can pretend to be women these days)

El Keniano wrote:

Come in spinner. wrote:

Haha, says the bloke who adds to the crap and bullshit by engaging with m!ndweak.

He and Barakus like to make up stuff. They can't conceive how someone from a country like Kenya could be proud of a place their media depict as backward, uninhabitable and hell on earth, regularly describing it in the most disparaging terms. That, to them, translates as hatred of their own precious little countries. How could anyone not envy what they have? The TV said everybody should and does.

Not quite. You just started a thread stating we should ditch the mile. The only reason being that you want to make some display of rebelling against what you see as a relic of the British influence across the world, and of course in particular over Kenya.

Of course you should be proud of Kenya. I have nothing against Kenya. I have something against you; I'm sure not all Kenyans go around complaining about Britain and the British. That's just your thing and it's distasteful.