ventolin^3 wrote:
for mo
( & i can't offer a denigatory time for a far superior physical specimen in rupp )
3'27-mid/high
You really think Rupp was a better 1500/mile runner than Farah last year?
I think it's a fair assertion, but I am amazed you state this with such certainty.
You yourself said Farah was in 3:27 shape that day!
So you are basically saying that on the day of his 3:50i, Rupp was an ElG/Ngeny/Kip level miler?
sub3over40 wrote:
Time will tell if this record is clean. I think it is unfair to make accusations without evidence. Dibaba has ideal genes and she is probably running the same mileage as her sister. If this record is clean, it's all in the miles. Lydiard may be old school but it works.
14-15 miles a day in singles?
ventolin^3 wrote:
Peer Mediator wrote:You really are challenged aren't you!Just because Rupp & Farah train together does not mean they are the same athlete! Are you really so ignorant to suggest that because Farah has run 3:28.8 that Rupp is capable of the same?
Nonsense.
fool
sal brought in an
ole beat-up stayer
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prize-triple crown-colt
he didn't realise that the "ole-beat-up stayer" had dreams of :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfCMtaNiMDM
Probably true.
Salazar far underestimated Farah, or NEVER WOULD HAVE BROUGHT HIM ON, for the same reason he wouldn't take on the Bekeles.
Kind of a backfire for Rupp when he gets his doors blown off by the superior athlete EVERY time out, but for selfish Salazar it was always a win-win.
SMJO wrote:
george oscar bluth wrote:I've refused to engage vent after he hilariously argued with me that the Olympic 10000 would be run under 26:30. Clearly he doesn't have any analytical abilities.
He just meant that it coulda been run that fast and it shoulda etc. etc.
No, there was extensive clarification beforehand. He did not mean it could be run that fast, he matter-of-factly declared it WOULD be that fast. I've learned since that there is no point in arguing with stupid.
I've never seen vent in the top 10 of a predictionc contest.
According to the IAAF article, she hit 800 in 2:09.7, then slammed a 61-low for the third 400, carrying that through to the finish. Not exactly ideal for record-setting, as many have pointed out. She flew over the finish line like a 100m contestant, arms windmilling with the lean.
The Ethiopian indoor 800 record is 1:59, not far off from her final 700m pace.
Norge wrote:
So Stockholm will be a very interesting meet.
It looks as if we may have another great rival pair in the 1500 with G Dibaba and Aregawi for years to come, just like what we have seen with Tirunesh and Defar.
For about a year and a half, it was all Aregawi, but Genzebe is back, baby!
Obviously her superior performance was due to the greater oxygen concentration inside the crowded, enclosed, vegetation-free facility...
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george oscar bluth wrote:
SMJO wrote:He just meant that it coulda been run that fast and it shoulda etc. etc.
No, there was extensive clarification beforehand. He did not mean it could be run that fast, he matter-of-factly declared it WOULD be that fast. I've learned since that there is no point in arguing with stupid.
I've never seen vent in the top 10 of a predictionc contest.
Yes, that was funny. He argued that Rupp was likely to run under 26:30 and finish out of the medals. I take all of his predictions with that in mind.
george oscar bluth wrote:
I've refused to engage vent after he hilariously argued with me that the Olympic 10000 would be run under 26:30. Clearly he doesn't have any analytical abilities.
Fair point.
But it really was shocking how stupidly (slowly) the Kenyans and Ethiopians took out both the 10,000 and 5,000 in London.
Parental Advisory wrote:
According to the IAAF article, she hit 800 in 2:09.7, then slammed a 61-low for the third 400, carrying that through to the finish. Not exactly ideal for record-setting, as many have pointed out. She flew over the finish line like a 100m contestant, arms windmilling with the lean.
The Ethiopian indoor 800 record is 1:59, not far off from her final 700m pace.
It's too bad we had to watch some 5th place girl FOUL as she attempted a long jump when the BIG MOVE was made in a WORLD RECORD race going on at the same time.
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I'm strong to the finish, 'cause I eats me spinach, I'm Genzebe the Ethiopian, toot, toot!
race pace guru wrote:
It's too bad we had to watch some 5th place girl FOUL as she attempted a long jump when the BIG MOVE was made in a WORLD RECORD race going on at the same time.
The announcer didn't seem to realize that she was anywhere near the record until well after the finish.
But then Eurosport is a cheapo network, with no pretensions, that gives t&f a lot of airtime.
I wish we could get it in the States.
rupp-certified conversion wrote:
ventolin^3 wrote:for mo
( & i can't offer a denigatory time for a far superior physical specimen in rupp )
3'27-mid/high
You really think Rupp was a better 1500/mile runner than Farah last year?
I think it's a fair assertion, but I am amazed you state this with such certainty.
You yourself said Farah was in 3:27 shape that day!
So you are basically saying that on the day of his 3:50i, Rupp was an ElG/Ngeny/Kip level miler?
Do you really believe it "is a fair assertion" that Rupp could have run 3:27 last year? If so, then you are as deluded as Ventolin.
Ventolin is stating that Rupp is a better athlete than Farah, which is plainly ridiculous. When was the last time Rupp bear Farah over any distance since training with AlSal?
Farah had almost ideal pacing when running his 3:28.8 (55.0, 56.6, 56.0, 41.2) and had Kiprop ahead to drag him all the way to the finish, despite all the nonsense Ventolin comes out with 'no pacing' rubbish. There is no way Rupp is running any faster than that ever, let alone running 3:27!
While clearly a Rupp fan, you should be aware of his limitations. Rupp has done nothing to even suggest a 3:27.
Parental Advisory wrote:
According to the IAAF article, she hit 800 in 2:09.7
Where has the article said this? It probably was around 2:09,2 - still a big acceleration after the 800m-mark.
rupp-certified suckers wrote:
george oscar bluth wrote:I've refused to engage vent after he hilariously argued with me that the Olympic 10000 would be run under 26:30. Clearly he doesn't have any analytical abilities.
Fair point.
But it really was shocking how stupidly (slowly) the Kenyans and Ethiopians took out both the 10,000 and 5,000 in London.
That's not a fair point. If Bekele was in top form, then he would have had the brains to make it a very fast race.
sub3over40 wrote:
Time will tell if this record is clean. I think it is unfair to make accusations without evidence. Dibaba has ideal genes and she is probably running the same mileage as her sister. If this record is clean, it's all in the miles. Lydiard may be old school but it works.
They don't train using Lydiard methods
Once an Expert wrote:
Umm, considering how much richer our companies like Nike are, do you really think the Ethiopians and kenyans get this drug while we don't? I'm saying this in order to suggest that she is NOT using drugs. Why aren't those drugs helping the Americans?
Have you seen the top ten all-time US list in the men's 5000 lately.
I always felt Genzebe would eventually be the best. She has enormous power on her legs and she has a unique advantage in training in that her sister has used her as a pace setter since she was an early teen. I don't see a weakness, if you want to nitpick maybe she has yet to show her sister's killer instinct, but there are not many athletes in the world who ever have, for that matter.
I think she can break the Chinese record and crush the outdoor 1500 this year, and even her sister's records later on down the line.
fred wrote:
sub3over40 wrote:Time will tell if this record is clean. I think it is unfair to make accusations without evidence. Dibaba has ideal genes and she is probably running the same mileage as her sister. If this record is clean, it's all in the miles. Lydiard may be old school but it works.
14-15 miles a day in singles?
That is just one of the runs. You would average that. It wound not be the same mileage every day obviously. You would also have another easy run of 5-6 miles every day so you were running doubles every day in your aerobic base phase. My point is the Africans are running more miles than our athletes are except for maybe those under Salazar.
said88 wrote:
Parental Advisory wrote:According to the IAAF article, she hit 800 in 2:09.7
Where has the article said this? It probably was around 2:09,2 - still a big acceleration after the 800m-mark.
Sorry, they referred to Sobo's 2:09.7; Dibaba was 2:08.96...still a big change of gear.