So overall, maybe... 2 at larges from the Southwest. No at larges from the Northwest, the South, or the absolute JOKE that New York teams are. Penn Charter, Pella, Padua/James W Robinson cascade double, Fort Wayne/Carmel double all competing for spots.
So NY teams are weak on both the boys AND the girls side now? Oh man…
I think definitely weaker on the boys’ side. But still weak on the girls’ side compared to every other NXR region
I knew that NY is by far the weakest region on the boys side.
On the girls side, in 2023, NY teams went 6th and 11th. The coaches of the team that took 6th have retired, and for the last 2 years this team didn’t make NXN. Crazy how much the region fell apart so quickly.
For the Girls, at least one of Santiago, Mira Costa or Trabuco should definitely get an at-large. I could see 2 of them going, and 2 Southwest.
I only think CA girls get one if Buchanan or JSerra finishes 3rd.
I totally disagree. CA should get at least 2, as they have 7 very good teams who will fight for those spots. J Serra and Buchanan should both be locks, with their young and deep talent, but no individual stars (none needed). Santiago has been nationally ranked all year and has a low stick/Nike Elite athlete up front and if they keep it close, that might play into committee considerations if she doesn't go as an individual.
Mira Costa dominated CIF-SS this weekend, but they'll need to repeat that to get in, since they haven't been ranked and were beaten by Santiago at Woodbridge and Clovis. Santa Margarita is running extremely well with their transfer, Dye. El Toro finished 5th at Woodbridge and did great in the CIF merge, and they may surprise some people.
I could see any of those teams keeping it close in the CA merge and if 2 of them are within 40-60 points of the #2 spot, they should both get an at-large.
I only think CA girls get one if Buchanan or JSerra finishes 3rd.
I totally disagree. CA should get at least 2, as they have 7 very good teams who will fight for those spots. J Serra and Buchanan should both be locks, with their young and deep talent, but no individual stars (none needed). Santiago has been nationally ranked all year and has a low stick/Nike Elite athlete up front and if they keep it close, that might play into committee considerations if she doesn't go as an individual.
Mira Costa dominated CIF-SS this weekend, but they'll need to repeat that to get in, since they haven't been ranked and were beaten by Santiago at Woodbridge and Clovis. Santa Margarita is running extremely well with their transfer, Dye. El Toro finished 5th at Woodbridge and did great in the CIF merge, and they may surprise some people.
I could see any of those teams keeping it close in the CA merge and if 2 of them are within 40-60 points of the #2 spot, they should both get an at-large.
They will have a tough time. Santiago lost to a Cherry Creek team that finished 11th at NXR SW. Mira Costa lost to Cherry Creek plus Air Academy (#8 SW) and Thunder Ridge (#9 SW). Mira Costa also lost to Boise (#3 NW), Seattle Prep (#16 NW) and Northfield (#19 SW) at Nike Portland.
Penn Charter should definitely be up there. The northeast is hard and they’ve proven that by running at Belmont Plateau, which is known to be a hard corse in downtown Philly. Bowdoin Park is not an easy course, and the northeast dominated the winning times from last year. Keep it up!
Penn Charter!! Yes, these girls from the Philadelphia small independent Quaker school should be in Portland. They won all their meets with almost perfect scores. Let them represent the Northeast!
Penn Charter!! Yes, these girls from the Philadelphia small independent Quaker school should be in Portland. They won all their meets with almost perfect scores. Let them represent the Northeast!
One of their runners Downin first ran for Minnetonka MN, then for Edina MN, then Tatnall DE (the team she qualified for NXN with) now Penn Charter
Penn Charter!! Yes, these girls from the Philadelphia small independent Quaker school should be in Portland. They won all their meets with almost perfect scores. Let them represent the Northeast!
Actually not all their meets. They took 3rd at Great American. They also haven’t beaten any autoqualifiers so I’m not sure if they will get in.
Last year, the second NE girls team took 19th at NXN
NXN BOYS AT-LARGE QUALIFIERS: NAME REGION YEAR NXN PLACE Sioux Falls Lincoln, SD Heartland 2014 21 Wayzata, MN Heartland 2015 14 Summit, OR Northwest 2012 21 Central Catholic,OR Northwest 2013 19 Lewis & Clark, WA Northwest 2018 10 Franklin, OR Northwest 2023 14 Medina, OH Midwest 2007 12 Loyola, IL Midwest 2009 4 Neuqua Valley, IL Midwest 2010 12 Palatine, IL Midwest 2011 5 St. Xavier, OH Midwest 2012 14 Hinsdale Central, IL Midwest 2013 22 Lyons Township, IL Midwest 2015 9 Mahomet-Seymour, IL Midwest 2016 17 St. Charles East, IL Midwest 2019 4 Downers Grove North, IL Midwest 2022 10 Liverpool, NY New York 2013 20 Liverpool, NY New York 2014 4 Don Bosco, NJ Northeast 2007 10 North Allegheny, PA Northeast 2008 12 Danbury, CT Northeast 2008 21 Westfield, NJ Northeast 2011 22 WestChesterHend.,, PA Northeast 2012 15 Rogers, AR South 2007 16 Cedar Park, TX South 2009 11 The Woodlands, TX South 2010 20 The Woodlands, TX South 2016 21 El Paso Eastwood, TX South 2019 22 Austin Vandergrift, TX South 2024 7 Green Hope, NC Southeast 2017 22 Davis, UT Southwest 2010 11 Timpanogos, UT Southwest 2014 12 Lone Peak, UT Southwest 2015 11 American Fork, UT Southwest 2015 2 Springville, UT Southwest 2016 15 Timpanogos, UT Southwest 2017 21 Desert Vista, AZ Southwest 2017 8 Mountain Vista, CO Southwest 2018 12 Dakota Ridge, CO Southwest 2019 7 Mountain View, UT Southwest 2022 17 Niwot, CO Southwest 2023 5 Riverton, UT Southwest 2023 9 American Fork, UT Southwest 2024 2 Taylorsville, UT Southwest 2024 10 Murrieta Valley, CA California 2007 17 Thousand Oaks, CA California 2008 10 Loyola, CA California 2008 15 Arcadia, CA California 2009 20 Simi Royal, CA California 2009 15 Loyola, CA California 2010 16 Golden Valley, CA California 2011 11 Rancho Cucamonga, CA California 2011 19 Carlsbad, CA California 2012 18 Dana Hills, CA California 2013 18 Jurupa Hills, CA California 2014 10 Dana Hills, CA California 2016 14 St. Francis MV, CA California 2017 9 Newbury Park, CA California 2018 6 La Costa Canyon, CA California 2018 11 Dana Hills, CA California 2019 8 San Clemente, Ca California 2022 7 Granada, CA California 2022 16 Great Oak, CA California 2023 17 Glendora, CA California 2024 17 Region # At-Larges Average Place Top 10 Best California 20 13.7 6 6th Southwest 14 10.1 7 2nd Midwest 10 10.9 5 4th South 6 16.2 1 7th Northeast 5 16 1 10th Northwest 4 16 1 10th New York 2 12 1 4th Heartland 2 17.5 0 14th Southeast 1 22 0 22nd
True about PC not beating any auto qualifiers. Not gonna help.
And true about Champlain taking 19 at NXN, but this year is very different:
Last year, Union Catholic (NXR NE winner) was ranked #20 going into the regional. Champlain was completely unranked the entire season. Champlain finished in 19:20, 19:21, 19:22, 19:24, 21:10 (21:17, 21:44). Very hard course as all know.
This year, UC was ranked all the way up at #3 going into the regional. And Champlain has been ranked #15-25 this whole season (as opposed to constantly unranked). Champlain finished in 18:51, 18:52, 18:54, 19:06, 19:51 (20:16, 20:47)- so much better and very good for Bowdoin.
And enter Penn Charter: 17:47, 18:46, 19:17, 19:29, 19:44 (20:31, 21:18)
So the Northeast region has a lot more depth with just a one year difference.
Penn Charter girls should 100% be in the conversation, but at this point it kind of just depends on what the committee thinks. Do we know who is on the committee?
Penn Charter girls should 100% be in the conversation, but at this point it kind of just depends on what the committee thinks. Do we know who is on the committee?
....I still think the IMG Academy has a chance. B E L I E V E .
They literally call kids from across the country to recruit them from established programs and they still can't get top 4. That's pretty bad.
Wow when you put it like that, it IS pitiful.
So, in order to advance they needed to finish top 2 or top 4 in their region? What was their region? Not even finishing top 4 in a region is kinda embarrassing NGL.
Not that this is used by anyone, but if you like speed ratings: I put 26 girls teams into one race based only on NXR results (so it doesn't include IMG or California yet). I'll put them in tiers alphabetically:
Tier 1 (under 200 points): Wayzata
Teir 2 (200-249 points): Lone Peak, Union Catholic
Tier 3 (250-299 points): Ann Arbor, Carmel, Heritage, Niwot, Sioux Falls Christian
Tier 4 (300-349 points): American Fork, Flower Mound, Sehome, Webb of Knoxville
Tier 5 (350-399 points): Bridgeland, Champlain, Fort Wayne, Pella, Penn Charter, Pudua, Rocky Mountain, Romeo, Shenendehowa
Tier 6 (400 points or more): Bethlehem, Boise, Brentwood, Katy, James Robinson
Niwot feels like a slam dunk for an at-large invitation. American Fork while 4th in SW has a great argument based on speed ratings. Then it is very close. Romeo, IL based on speed ratings would actually be ahead of Fort Wayne, but Fort Wayne got 3rd in MW ahead of Romeo. And Pella and Penn Charter actually also in front of Fort Wayne (but within same tier). Just data points, lots of other things to consider of course.
Wayzata girls team #1 in the country based on this? They could do what they did a dozen years ago - win NXN
I think definitely weaker on the boys’ side. But still weak on the girls’ side compared to every other NXR region
I knew that NY is by far the weakest region on the boys side.
On the girls side, in 2023, NY teams went 6th and 11th. The coaches of the team that took 6th have retired, and for the last 2 years this team didn’t make NXN. Crazy how much the region fell apart so quickly.
And one of those coaches passed away not so long ago
Together With Wife Linda, Art Kranick Coached Saratoga Springs To 18 New York State Titles, 3 NXN ChampionshipsBy Doug Binder, DyeStat EditorJohn Nepolitan photoArt Kranick, one of the most successful high school cross countr...
I only think CA girls get one if Buchanan or JSerra finishes 3rd.
I totally disagree. CA should get at least 2, as they have 7 very good teams who will fight for those spots. J Serra and Buchanan should both be locks, with their young and deep talent, but no individual stars (none needed). Santiago has been nationally ranked all year and has a low stick/Nike Elite athlete up front and if they keep it close, that might play into committee considerations if she doesn't go as an individual.
Mira Costa dominated CIF-SS this weekend, but they'll need to repeat that to get in, since they haven't been ranked and were beaten by Santiago at Woodbridge and Clovis. Santa Margarita is running extremely well with their transfer, Dye. El Toro finished 5th at Woodbridge and did great in the CIF merge, and they may surprise some people.
I could see any of those teams keeping it close in the CA merge and if 2 of them are within 40-60 points of the #2 spot, they should both get an at-large.
Didn't they get beaten significantly by South #2 Bridgeland who had one of their top 4 in another division?
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