Allie O DNS in Final

She admits she went too hard on XTing for the first time, under Roche. The Roches gifted the Zwift. It's very easy to get sucked in to the video game, especially when you are anxious about fitness loss and highly competitive. It was a bad move to give her the Zwift near the time of the injury.

100 percent.

I really think this is all on roche. Any coach I've ever had has DTRONGLY discouraged extremely hard workouts while healing from sfx. Your body needs that energy to heal. Anecdotally, any time I haven't listened, healing took twice as long. She constantly was talking about how she was shredding her legs on zwift. Roche not intervening is insane to me

She really needs to part ways from Roche. He's just a failed American Football player that played one year at Columbia. Somehow, he fell into running and then called himself a "coach". However, what really are his professional qualifications to be a coach? What does he know about track events and more specifically the steeplechase event? Allie needs to wake up and drop this guy. I feel sorry that Allie got involved with Roche and honestly hope that she can salvage her career.

To respond to this again, I think there's a certain level of sadness and emotions that I'm not sure we've seen from Allie before. (I could be wrong because I haven't watch ALL of her videos.) It's natural to feel sad and disappointed in her position, but I worry the gaslighting and manipulation on the side of her coach is making things even harder. Speculation, of course. I hope that's not the case.

"Amazing how quickly some people can turn a vulnerable update from Allie into ammo for their never-ending grudge against David Roche.

But when she ran well last year, they credited her talent alone and said it had nothing to do with his coaching. Heads they win, tails he loses—the opportunism would almost be impressive, if it weren’t so predictable."

Wow now he’s monitoring and posting via his sock puppet a thread about Allie.

Hey Claude, is calling people "b!tch boys" cool?

"The term "b!tch boys" can be considered problematic from a gender perspective.
The word "b!tch" has historically been used as a derogatory term specifically targeting women, implying weakness, compliance, or undesirable feminine traits.
When applied to men as "b!tch boys," it essentially uses femaleness or femininity as an insult - suggesting that being compared to women or having "feminine" qualities is inherently degrading.
This type of language reinforces gender stereotypes by:
Using female-associated terms as insults
Implying that feminine qualities are negative when found in men
Perpetuating the idea that masculinity is superior to femininity
Many people would consider this gendered language sexist because it relies on misogynistic assumptions about gender roles and uses women/femininity as the basis for an insult, even when directed at men. The insult derives its perceived power from the cultural devaluation of women and feminine traits."

This is just how coaching works. When things go well you praise the athlete. When things don’t the coach takes responsibility. Anyone that has had a good coach knows this truth.

Demonstrating why Allie should transition to another coach right here.

You guys are all nuts blaming Roche, this is all Allie 100%. The bouncing from mountains to trails to roads to the track without any sense of true direction is her problem. Roche has no control over her untamable urge to do these side quests. She is delusional to believe that anyone can be successful doing that. The term Jack of all trades master of none comes to mind. She needs to make a decision RIGHT NOW if she wants to try and compete for Beijing 27 or LA28. This means get serious at the event she won NCAA titles at and focus all her energy, and passion into that. She needs to harness the tears and use it as fuel to prove, as Infeld did, that she isn't done yet. It's time to sh!t off get off the pot.

Stop crying and get serious. Do one thing and do it well, or don't... and you will continue to fail... and people will stop caring.

Allie's 4 second PR (from her college days when she had an eating disorder around 2021) was likely mainly just due to super spikes. Sure, she faced some demons "overcoming" her eating disorder, but let's not pretend like Roche coached her to something amazing that was even an improvement last year.

What he did coach her to was doing really bad at a lot of trail mountain races in between however. And now this.

Thanks, David (and/or Megan). I need a coach who can help me defend myself on everything thread on LetsRun that mentions me, are you taking new posters/athletes)

I believe that last year's success was partly due to her talent, hard work, and recovery, and also due to her transition to more structured training from a Coach versus an advisor. I also believe that the positivity of the Roche's (toxic or not) and David's own success last year probably aided in Allie's mental and physical health, but that kind of excitement wears off especially when your coach isn't coaching.

A coach cannot protect an athlete who does not listen.

I’m more impressed by The Athlete Special’s improvement than Allie’s floundering.

Hi

Objectively she shaved off 4 seconds and that was her only improvement in any event in the last 3 years.

One could say it was mainly the super spike effect and being in some competitive races like the trials so that a pack of faster women could pull her along to a PB.

Otherwise she regressed in trail running.

Sure David's toxic positivity and rah rah cheerleading may have brainwashed her a bit more to believe in herself. He probably also told her to "eat all the carbs". She's very talented and that physical potential does not go away if she can just stay healthy and do some semblance of structured training for most months of the year. It doesn't take a quality coach to bring that out at times.

He's definitely screwed her up this year however. Just as his own running training and Youtube videos started to become more of a focus for himself.

Isn't there a 'David goes home devastated' thread already

Allie ran races that were 'sponsor monetary' whether she was trained for them or not...her choice, for income