Jakob Ingebrigtsen ran 1:46 for 800 in 2020. What could he run in 2025?

Armstronglivs wrote:

yesss wrote:

Then you are also fantasizing when you talk about what Peter Snell could have run in today's tracks and shoes.
Why can you do that and it's OK but you have to come in here and piss all over people having the same type of discussion about another athlete?

I don't speculate what Snell could run today - although anyone who knows anything about the sport (which isn't you) knows that if Snell were running on modern synthetic tracks with modern shoes recognises he would be faster off the bat than 1:44 on grass in antiquated shoes. I have quoted Lydiard who said Snell could have run 1:42x in modern conditions.

But conditions such as these haven't changed for Ingebrigtsen since he ran his pr of 1:46x. Nor does anything point to the fact that his top-end speed will have increased, which is what he would need to run a significantly faster 800 - since his endurance is probably maxed out, as his 7:17 for 3k suggests.

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

Yodeler wrote:

I never said they deleted it. I said it wasn’t available in their search database on their main site. I haven’t provided the link yet because the editor has not sent it to me yet.

Some strange coincidences here:

1. Jakob was followed closely by a lot of fans in 2022, including all his news paper interviews. If Jakob had claimed any of the times you mentioned this would have been so sensational that all the other Norwegian papers would have cited them. But you are the only one that has seen this claims it seems…

2. I have always found articles I have read earlier, or heard about from reliable sources, after some digging and thorough research. -Strange coincidence that this particular interview is nowhere to be found + no answers from the editor.

3. There is an interview with Jakob in 2022 about running the 800m event, in the newspaper VG (part of the same news concern as Aftenposten). But it’s somewhat strikingly that he in that interview stresses the opposite of your claims when it comes to the 800m. He says he’s pleased with his 1.47 low performance, but that he isn’t made for running only two laps (at least not early in the season). No mentioning of a 1.41 capability, or a 46 one. He makes a point out of himself needing three laps “as a warm up” before a finish… Well, you can claim that he hit a new and faster level later in that season, but the thing is that Jakob struggled even with fast times in the 1500m the whole 2022 season (didn’t break 3.29, contrary to every other adult season he has have). So it’s really strange that 1.41/ 46 would have come in that particular season, don’t you think..?

Link to the 2022 VG interview:

Link:www.vg.no/i/nWokwa?utm_source=iosapp&u...

Ice Mountain Runner wrote:

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

Some strange coincidences here:

1. Jakob was followed closely by a lot of fans in 2022, including all his news paper interviews. If Jakob had claimed any of the times you mentioned this would have been so sensational that all the other Norwegian papers would have cited them. But you are the only one that has seen this claims it seems…

2. I have always found articles I have read earlier, or heard about from reliable sources, after some digging and thorough research. -Strange coincidence that this particular interview is nowhere to be found + no answers from the editor.

3. There is an interview with Jakob in 2022 about running the 800m event, in the newspaper VG (part of the same news concern as Aftenposten). But it’s somewhat strikingly that he in that interview stresses the opposite of your claims when it comes to the 800m. He says he’s pleased with his 1.47 low performance, but that he isn’t made for running only two laps (at least not early in the season). No mentioning of a 1.41 capability, or a 46 one. He makes a point out of himself needing three laps “as a warm up” before a finish… Well, you can claim that he hit a new and faster level later in that season, but the thing is that Jakob struggled even with fast times in the 1500m the whole 2022 season (didn’t break 3.29, contrary to every other adult season he has have). So it’s really strange that 1.41/ 46 would have come in that particular season, don’t you think..?

Link to the 2022 VG interview:

Link:www.vg.no/i/nWokwa?utm_source=iosapp&u...

I actually remember the Aftenposten article that Yodeler is referring to. 2022 sounds about right. It was after the World Championships in Eugene. Jakob told the reporter he ran a 46 second 400 meter time trial in practice from a standing start. There was a Letsrun thread at the time that largely suspected Jakob of lying.

It would be better if Yodeler could provide the actual article for supporting evidence. I can't find the article online anywhere. Other claims that Yodeler has made; there's an El G documentary on Youtube with him running 1:42, he's waiting on the video of Jakob running 46 from supposedly Jakob himself, a message conversation with Cooper Teare that he posted on this thread without the screenshot, he's waiting to receive the Aftenposten article, claims that Hocker ran a 22 second 200 at 16...These of course all seem ridiculously fabricated, but I must admit I remember the Aftenposten article.

Yodeler wrote:

Skuj wrote:

So you and Jingy chatted. About the vid / today's training / Henrik etc.

That's.....er......fantastic.

(I'm sorry. I'm beginning to have some....."doubts".)

Good news. Just spoke to homeboy ten minutes ago. He sent me the video file. I’m currently reformatting the file so it can play on my video software. It’ll take about an hour and then I’ll post it on this thread.

To share some comments from Jakob:

Henrik has finally sent me the video of my 400 meters PR. It’s a time trial I ran after Eugene where I got smoked by Jake Wightman. I wanted to see if I was actually lacking speed, because I had not run an all out sprint in a few years. I was pleasantly surprised with my result. I thought I had a mid 47 in me, but I ran over a second faster! As you will see in the video there was some wind on the backstretch, so my sprinter friends Klaus and Frederick rabbited me through 300 meters. It was the hardest I’ve ever run in my whole life. Enjoy the video! Let this show the trolls I have some speed in these legs baby!

Ice Mountain Runner wrote:

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

Some strange coincidences here:

1. Jakob was followed closely by a lot of fans in 2022, including all his news paper interviews. If Jakob had claimed any of the times you mentioned this would have been so sensational that all the other Norwegian papers would have cited them. But you are the only one that has seen this claims it seems…

2. I have always found articles I have read earlier, or heard about from reliable sources, after some digging and thorough research. -Strange coincidence that this particular interview is nowhere to be found + no answers from the editor.

3. There is an interview with Jakob in 2022 about running the 800m event, in the newspaper VG (part of the same news concern as Aftenposten). But it’s somewhat strikingly that he in that interview stresses the opposite of your claims when it comes to the 800m. He says he’s pleased with his 1.47 low performance, but that he isn’t made for running only two laps (at least not early in the season). No mentioning of a 1.41 capability, or a 46 one. He makes a point out of himself needing three laps “as a warm up” before a finish… Well, you can claim that he hit a new and faster level later in that season, but the thing is that Jakob struggled even with fast times in the 1500m the whole 2022 season (didn’t break 3.29, contrary to every other adult season he has have). So it’s really strange that 1.41/ 46 would have come in that particular season, don’t you think..?

Link to the 2022 VG interview:

Link:www.vg.no/i/nWokwa?utm_source=iosapp&u...

I actually remember the Aftenposten article that Yodeler is referring to. 2022 sounds about right. It was after the World Championships in Eugene. Jakob told the reporter he ran a 46 second 400 meter time trial in practice from a standing start. There was a Letsrun thread at the time that largely suspected Jakob of lying.

It would be better if Yodeler could provide the actual article for supporting evidence. I can't find the article online anywhere. Other claims that Yodeler has made; there's an El G documentary on Youtube with him running 1:42, he's waiting on the video of Jakob running 46 from supposedly Jakob himself, a message conversation with Cooper Teare that he posted on this thread without the screenshot, he's waiting to receive the Aftenposten article, claims that Hocker ran a 22 second 200 at 16...These of course all seem ridiculously fabricated, but I must admit I remember the Aftenposten article.

justanothercuriousdude wrote:

Ice Mountain Runner wrote:

I actually remember the Aftenposten article that Yodeler is referring to. 2022 sounds about right. It was after the World Championships in Eugene. Jakob told the reporter he ran a 46 second 400 meter time trial in practice from a standing start. There was a Letsrun thread at the time that largely suspected Jakob of lying.

It would be better if Yodeler could provide the actual article for supporting evidence. I can't find the article online anywhere. Other claims that Yodeler has made; there's an El G documentary on Youtube with him running 1:42, he's waiting on the video of Jakob running 46 from supposedly Jakob himself, a message conversation with Cooper Teare that he posted on this thread without the screenshot, he's waiting to receive the Aftenposten article, claims that Hocker ran a 22 second 200 at 16...These of course all seem ridiculously fabricated, but I must admit I remember the Aftenposten article.

Please link to the Lrc thread that largely suspected Jakob of lying about running a 46!