Nope. He did not have the majority of the votes. 49.9%. Yes he had more than Harris, but he didn't have the majority. And even then, it is far less than 2/3 like is required for many votes.
So you are right. The majority has spoken. The majority of voters have said that they would rather Trump not be the next president. And while the same could be said for Harris, 1.5% difference is not a big deal, so stop acting like he won the popular vote by a landslide.
Did you really just make an argument that the President's election is less legitimate because he didn't win a 2/3 majority, even though that fraction has absolutely NOTHING to do with a presidential election?
I'm so grateful for this bizarroland logic from the Liberals because it pushed many Democrats and undecided younger voters to vote for Trump. Polls show that 70%+ now believe that biological males should not compete in girls' sports. It goes far beyond party lines. It's common sense.
Even if you have this extremely rare condition, you are still categorized as a male:
"De la Chapelle syndrome, also known as XX malesyndrome or 46,XX testicular disorder of sex development (DSD), is a rare genetic disorder that affects sexual development:"
It is a male condition because the expressed gene (or phenotype) is a male phenotype. (Which is why they have male genetalia).
Even if this condition makes you a slower than average male, you are still male. To bend over backwards to please less than 0.01 % of the population is wrong, and to allow people into categories just because they want to compete in those categories is wrong. "Tough cookies" as they say, you don't get everything you want in life and you should not be able to compete in a female category because you have not magically turned into a "female". It would be like a 200lb person saying they should compete in the 120lb division because they have an extremely rare health condition that makes them have poorer athletic ability....that makes no sense. That 200lb doesn't get to switch categories, they have to stay in their category and just be low ranking in that category...too bad, not everyone gets to be on varsity or be a winner.
No. Biologically they are female (XX). It’s basically the flip of the coin for someone like Semenya (who is outwardly female but biologically XY).
Even if you have this extremely rare condition, you are still categorized as a male:
"De la Chapelle syndrome, also known as XX malesyndrome or 46,XX testicular disorder of sex development (DSD), is a rare genetic disorder that affects sexual development:"
It is a male condition because the expressed gene (or phenotype) is a male phenotype. (Which is why they have male genetalia).
Even if this condition makes you a slower than average male, you are still male. To bend over backwards to please less than 0.01 % of the population is wrong, and to allow people into categories just because they want to compete in those categories is wrong. "Tough cookies" as they say, you don't get everything you want in life and you should not be able to compete in a female category because you have not magically turned into a "female". It would be like a 200lb person saying they should compete in the 120lb division because they have an extremely rare health condition that makes them have poorer athletic ability....that makes no sense. That 200lb doesn't get to switch categories, they have to stay in their category and just be low ranking in that category...too bad, not everyone gets to be on varsity or be a winner.
No. Biologically they are female (XX). It’s basically the flip of the coin for someone like Semenya (who is outwardly female but biologically XY).
You're taking rubbish. Persons with de la Chapelle - aka XX male syndrome - are biologically male with the sex chromosome pattern typical of females.
In utero, persons with XX male syndrome develop normal-sized and fully functioning male gonads (testes) that produce testosterone and anti-Mullerian hormone at the right times and in the right amounts like they're supposed to - along with male external genitals (penis and scrotum), male internal reproductive organs (prostate gland, vas deferens, ejaculatory ducts, seminal vesicles, Cowper's glands). They have no internal or external female organs.
Despite their XX chromsomes, persons with de la Chapelle develop as male rather than as female because of extremely rare events that occurred either when their fathers were making sperm cells, or in the hours after fertilization.
80-90% of case of XX male syndrome occur because a copy of the SRY gene - aka the testis determing factor - that's largely responsible for male development and which is normally on the Y chromsome someone ended up on one of their X chromosomes.
In the remaining 10-20%, mutations or something else unsual happened with other genes that are determinative of sex development such as the SOX 9 gene on chromsome 17.
XX male syndrome is very different to the DSD that Caster Semenya has, XY 5-ARD - which is caused by a deficiency of the enzyme required to convert testosterone into its more potent form, dihydrotestosterone or DHT. During fetal development, DHT is necessary for the proper formation and full growth of two male organs - the penis and prostate.
I don't think it's accurate to suggest that XY 5-ARD is the flip side of XX male syndrome. The genetic "sex reversal" condition most closely analogous to to XX male syndrome but in the other direction is XY female syndrome, aka Swyer syndrome.
I don't think it's accurate to say Semenya is "outwardly female but biologically XY" either.
Semenya is a male with an XY DSD only affecting males that causes affected individuals not to grow a normal penis and full-sized prostate during prenatal development - and also often causes them to be born without their testicles having completed the full descent all the way into the scrotum. But other than that, males with XY 5-ARD develop as normal males in utero. They don't have any female sex organs. They go through male mini puberty of infancy and male puberty of adolescence just as other males do.
Depending on where their testes are located, and how long they've been in that location, persons with XY 5-ARD can often make viable sperm and can father children. They just need some medical assistance to extract the sperm cells from their testes. Once the sperm is extracted, their partners can get pregnant through various methods of artifical insemination or other ART.
Females of our species aren't the same as males born with missing, minuscule or malformed penises and one or both testicles outside the scrotum. Females are distinguished and defined by the distintly female body parts and other physical characteristics we posses - not by the absence of male parts we don't have. Girls and women are not defective males, broken males, malformed males, or males with some male bits and bobs missing.
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Does California permit any boy to show up akd compete against girls? That doesn't sound correct but I will take your word for it. They may as well eliminate the 2 categories.
No. There must be a bunch of legally binding paperwork that is filled out by the child, a parent, as well of school administration, all of which has to be done before the school year officially starts. Once it has been filled out, there is no going back. So even if I wanted to, I would not be legally allowed to compete with the boys this track season.
Like most of the other information about sex, biology, Title IX and CIF policy you've posted on this thread and others, the part of your post I've bolded is not true.
Students who have decided to or want to take advantage of California's extremely generous and loose "gender identity participation" policy are actually afforded a great deal of flexibility. The CIF guidance makes it very clear that when a student says they have a gender identity different to their sex, it doesn't mean the student's gender identity is set in stone and will never change again.
On the contrary, the CIF guidance says that a student who has aready opted to take advantage of the "gender identity participation policy" might decide to change course the next year or next season.
For example, the CIF guidance says that if a student says he or she has a nonbinary gender identity,
they may select the gendered team on which they feel most comfortable participating. Factors that the nonbinary athlete may take into consideration include established camaraderie with fellow athletes, personal safety, and/or privacy concerns.
Once this determination is made, the student will be eligible to participate in sports offered for the selected gender. If a student wishes to change the selected gender during any remaining years of athletic eligibility, they will be allowed to do so if this change is a result of a deeper understanding of their gender identity
However, in such. cases, the student
may need to attend an eligibility hearing to gain varsity eligibility.
A student may have other reasons for changing their gender identification and those can be considered with an emphasis on optimizing the athlete’s confidence, safety, and privacy.
If a student who says they have a nonbinary gender identity would like would like to compete in different sex categories in different seasons during the same school year, their cases
may be reviewed on a case-by-case basis.
What is important to recognize is that a student’s understanding of their gender identity may take some time to fully discern.
They may... still need to discover the gender that they are.
a student’s understanding of their gender identity may take some time to fully discern. It is both an internal journey and an external experience.
I don't see how it could be legal or morally justifed for California school officials to apply the "gender identity participation" policy in such a flexible way for students who say they have a nonbinary gender identity and not show the same sort of consideration and pliability for students who say they have a trans or other kind of gender identity inconsistent with their sex - or who claim it's likey they have a rare DSD like you're now doing.
If you wanted to compete in your correct sex category, it might take a bit of doing and some time - but I think school officials, CIF and the state of CA would be way of out line to decree that competing in the correct sex category is no longer possible for a student in your particular shoes.
In fact, if your school, school disrict, CIF and/or the state of CA didn't allow you to go back to being on boys' teams and said you couldn't compete against members of your own sex ever again - whether in the long term or the relatively short term - then I believe you'd have good cause to sue them in court and file a Title IX complaint against them on the grounds that they've discriminated against you due to your sex, claimed gender idenity and gender expression - and they've denied you equal protection/treatment under the law as guaranteed by the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.
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While I agree with you on the issue, there’s not been ‘a flood.’ Under 10 total trans athletes of the 515,000 NCAA athletes. 10 too many but let’s keep the issue in perspective.
Point taken. I should have been more careful with my wording.
However, I was thinking of the numbers across all school sports, not just NCAA. When you count in all the boys saying they're trans, nonbinary, questioning who've competed in girls sports in LS, MS and HS since Jazz Jennings first did so more than 15 years ago, the numbers really add up.
As for the numbers of males claiming they're women competing in the women's category in NCAA sports, I've seen all sorts of figures quoted - 10, 32, 40. Joanna Harper, a major trans activist, mentioned a much larger number last year that I found suprising and hard to believe:
"While we don't know the exact number of trans women competing in NCAA sports, I would be very surprised if there were more than 100 of them in the women's category," Harper told Newsweek.
On the same day the U.S. House passed the bill, the North Carolina House passed a bill that also banned transgender athletes from competing in girls' sports. Of the 15 transgender athletes competing in high school sports, only two are transgender girls according to an article by the Associated Press.
There are about 200,000 high school and middle school students who participate in sports in North Carolina. About 90,000 of them are girls. So TWO out of 90,000 (0.002%) girls and 13 out of 110,000 (0.01%) boys were transgender.
Of about 400,000 Ohio high school athletes, five transgender girls opted this school year to follow their gender identity and compete in women’s sports.
The 2020-2021 year was no exception. Four transgender girls obtained approval in 2019-2020; two in 2018-2019; none were approved between 2015 and 2017, according to the OSHAA.
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I’m trying to stop being afraid to state my opinion that biological males should not be permitted to participate in female athletics. My fear stems very specifically from being grouped in with people who are motivated by hate, fear, and intolerance.
I think trans people are human beings with rights, and even if I don’t really get it, I’m old enough to know I don’t need to get it. I think it is fair to say that not letting people, who truly believe they’re female despite being born male or intersex, compete in their preferred division or use their preferred locker rooms, is a form of discrimination, but it’s lesser discrimination than allowing them to compete against biological women or use the locker rooms with women.
Unless or until there’s a trans division, biological males and intersex people need to compete with the men for any degree of commonly understood fairness to be present.
That said, I think trans people need other protections in schools, the workplace and elsewhere to prevent the kind of hate-filled discrimination that may prevent them from being otherwise productive members of society.
FWIW, my transgender barber agrees with the above sentiments. She has thick five o’clock shadow, wears fake breasts, has exposed chest hair, and dons skirts and tights. She, previously he, is funny, wicked smart, totally sane, and does the best low fade in town. She also races mountain bikes in the men’s division.
Of about 400,000 Ohio high school athletes, five transgender girls opted this school year to follow their gender identity and compete in women’s sports.
The 2020-2021 year was no exception. Four transgender girls obtained approval in 2019-2020; two in 2018-2019; none were approved between 2015 and 2017, according to the OSHAA.
FWIW, my transgender barber agrees with the above sentiments. She has thick five o’clock shadow, wears fake breasts, has exposed chest hair, and dons skirts and tights. She, previously he, is funny, wicked smart, totally sane, and does the best low fade in town. She also races mountain bikes in the men’s division.
Has this person done any hormone replacement therapy? If not, it's obvious she should compete in the men's division.
Unless or until there’s a trans division, biological males and intersex people need to compete with the men for any degree of commonly understood fairness to be present.
No one’s asking. All this has been thought about to a great deal over the years by world athletics as well as by other sports’ regulatory bodies and they have eligibility rules in place based on a combination of factors that include gender.
The way sport works is that if you don’t like the rules of a sport, the sport isn’t for you. What’s the point of your pontificating what people you have no control over “need to” do?
Unless or until there’s a trans division, biological males and intersex people need to compete with the men for any degree of commonly understood fairness to be present.
Do you think this person should have competed with men?
No, I don't think lrc readers would accept what appears to be a home / online dna test for a serious medical condition.
If you truly believe you have a life changing medical condition please get it treated professionally.
You appear to be a minor. Your parent should be arranging this and supporting you.
Good luck I hope you get diagnosed as required and treated as agreed.
Yes, I am a minor.
And yes, my parent is arranging this and supporting me.
In regards to the test, the most basic way I can explain how 23&me works is we buy a test, collect some saliva, send it to their laboratories, they extract DNA, and the results are then sent back to the consumer. I would consider this completely valid, though I am not certain if it would hold in a legal case so depending on the results I would get more professional aid.
Though even if I was found to have De La Chapelles by professional geneticists, something tells me no one is going to give a shxt and I will still have hundreds of students protesting against me, a so-called 'male', playing sports, weekly news articles about how I, a so-called 'male' am 'cheating', board meetings filled with people screaming to protect girls over a so-called 'biological male', and a life long target on my back from extremist groups for being trans (even if I were to be intersex, I would still consider myself trans).
Forgive me if I'm being stupid but why would a hereditary site comment on your sex chromosomes?
Their business is identifying hereditary dna for genetics, not chromosomes for disease.
It's seems to me a bit like asking an artist what colour a brick is and expecting the answer '6 inches tall'.
Or do they specifically offer chromosomes testing and la chapelle disease diagnostics?
Their website is down for the second day and wiki only talks about genetic health predisposition, nit direct testing if present diseases.
What don't you get? It doesn't matter if it's just one cheater. There are two sexes. Just compete in the sex in which you were born. It's fair, safe and very simple.
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