First. Are you saying the two time 5k world champion and current olympic 5k champ is not a 5k runner?
Second, no closer to the WR? If I run a 20 minute 5k, then 3 months later run a 9 minute 3k, are you arguing that I am no closer to a 19 minute 5k? This does not make any sense.
I am not saying that I think he will do the wr, I just find this logic puzzling.
1. He is a 5k runner but not the best the event has seen, or even the best in this era, which would require he beat the wr.
2. He is no closer to taking the 5k record until he shows it with a faster time over the distance. Faster times over shorter distances don't necessarily translate to faster times over a longer distance. Athletes have their best distances and can't run all distances equally well. I think his best distances are 2k-2 mile. To be in contention for the 5k wr I would suggest he has to show he is already close to it. He isn't. As I have said previously, unless he runs in the region of 12:40 I don't think he has a shot at the world mark.
Who is currently better in the 5k than the person who hasn't lost a 5k final since becoming an adult?
But his score is 1292 in the 1500 while it is 1320 in the 3000. And i think many agree that Jakob is more of a 3000 than a 1500m runner nowadays.
With Jakobs age and background, and hunger for more records, it's natural to see a new 5000m WR from him in 3-5 years. 7.17 in a really confidant way, probably 2-3 second faster in the perfect race is a quite good indicator.
We might see both sub 3.26 and sub 12.35 summer -25.
I am saying he is no closer to the wr than he was 3 years ago - despite him being what some posters describe as a 5k runner. That isn't an argument that he may never run any faster than he has; it simply shows that the 5k record remains out of reach for him until he demonstrates otherwise.
First. Are you saying the two time 5k world champion and current olympic 5k champ is not a 5k runner?
Second, no closer to the WR? If I run a 20 minute 5k, then 3 months later run a 9 minute 3k, are you arguing that I am no closer to a 19 minute 5k? This does not make any sense.
I am not saying that I think he will do the wr, I just find this logic puzzling.
Apparently Armstrong doesn't know that both Cheptegei and Bekele were low 12:50 runners before they broke the WRs in the 5000 respectively. He must've thought "they weren't close" back then either.
First. Are you saying the two time 5k world champion and current olympic 5k champ is not a 5k runner?
Second, no closer to the WR? If I run a 20 minute 5k, then 3 months later run a 9 minute 3k, are you arguing that I am no closer to a 19 minute 5k? This does not make any sense.
I am not saying that I think he will do the wr, I just find this logic puzzling.
1. He is a 5k runner but not the best the event has seen, or even the best in this era, which would require he beat the wr.
2. He is no closer to taking the 5k record until he shows it with a faster time over the distance. Faster times over shorter distances don't necessarily translate to faster times over a longer distance. Athletes have their best distances and can't run all distances equally well. I think his best distances are 2k-2 mile. To be in contention for the 5k wr I would suggest he has to show he is already close to it. He isn't. As I have said previously, unless he runs in the region of 12:40 I don't think he has a shot at the world mark.
Peter Snell - 1:46.48 PB, 1:44.3 WR
Kipchoge Keino - no time, 7:39.6 WR
Marcello Fiasconaro - 1:44.7 PB, 1:43.7 WR
Rick Wohlhuter - 2:25.8 PB, 2:13.9 WR
Alberto Juantorena - 1:44.9 PB, 1:43.50 WR
Samson Kimobwa - 28:10.27 PB, 27:30.47 WR
Henry Rono - 13:22.18 PB, 13:08.4 WR
Sebastian Coe - 1:43.97 PB, 1:42.33 WR
Sebastian Coe - 3:57.67 PB, 3:48.95 WR
Sebastian Coe - 2:30.9 PB, 2:13,40 WR
David Moorcroft - 13:20.51 PB, 13:00.41 WR
Moses Kiptanui - 8:31.0 PB, 8:07. 89 close to WR
Moses Kiptanui - no time, 13:00.93 No. 3 all-time
Noureddine Morceli - 3:31.00 PB, 3:28.86 WR
William Sigei - 27:16.91 PB, 26:52,23 WR
Haile Gebrselassie: 27:15.00 PB, 26:43.53 WR
Hicham El Guerrouj - 3:28.91 PB, 3:26.00 WR
Noah Ngeny - 3:52.09 PB, 3:43.40 No. 2 all-time
Kenenisa Bekele - 12:52.26 PB, 12:35.36 WR
Kenenisa Bekele - 26:49.57 PB, 26:20.31 WR
Joshua Cheptegei - 12:57.41 PB, 12:35.36 WR
Joshua Cheptegei - 26:48.36 PB, 26:11.00 WR
There are so many more examples for rapid improvement of PB to a (close to) WR.
That Ingebrigtsen hasn't set a 5000m PB since 3 1/2 years is almost irrelevant for the question: he hasn't tried to do so.
With his results from the last 3 years and while knowing the fact that he hasn't done a single race for time in this period, he IS a very strong contender for the 5000m WR.
1. He is a 5k runner but not the best the event has seen, or even the best in this era, which would require he beat the wr.
2. He is no closer to taking the 5k record until he shows it with a faster time over the distance. Faster times over shorter distances don't necessarily translate to faster times over a longer distance. Athletes have their best distances and can't run all distances equally well. I think his best distances are 2k-2 mile. To be in contention for the 5k wr I would suggest he has to show he is already close to it. He isn't. As I have said previously, unless he runs in the region of 12:40 I don't think he has a shot at the world mark.
Who is currently better in the 5k than the person who hasn't lost a 5k final since becoming an adult?
It's funny that Armstronglivs thinks Jakob isn't the best 1500m runner in the world despite being the fastest but thinks Cheptegei is a superior 5000m runner to Jakob even with his losing record. Double standards at its finest.
Who is currently better in the 5k than the person who hasn't lost a 5k final since becoming an adult?
It's funny that Armstronglivs thinks Jakob isn't the best 1500m runner in the world despite being the fastest but thinks Cheptegei is a superior 5000m runner to Jakob even with his losing record. Double standards at its finest.
He also thinks Mo Farahs PB being worse than what Jakob set when 21 and not having attempted a time trial is irrelevant for the all time best 5k/10k ranking, he's such a hilarious person
1. He is a 5k runner but not the best the event has seen, or even the best in this era, which would require he beat the wr.
2. He is no closer to taking the 5k record until he shows it with a faster time over the distance. Faster times over shorter distances don't necessarily translate to faster times over a longer distance. Athletes have their best distances and can't run all distances equally well. I think his best distances are 2k-2 mile. To be in contention for the 5k wr I would suggest he has to show he is already close to it. He isn't. As I have said previously, unless he runs in the region of 12:40 I don't think he has a shot at the world mark.
1. Never said he was.
2. You do you. Having a lot of progress over every distance below 5k, including 3k, while beating faster 5k (and 10k) runners in xc and in the 5k would make most believe that he has some progression in the 5k as well. Guess time will tell. Note that I think some of the logic here is weird, but I try to not speculate about a WR untill there is something concrete (say a DL event with the pace lights set to WR pace).
Why care so much about his 10k time if we are discussing his 5k time? Isnt being two times world champion and the olympic champion a good indication that he is a natural 5k runner?
He is a limited 5k runner rather than a "natural" 5k runner. His times show that. Cheptegei and Bekele show better what a natural 5k runner is. They were considerably faster over the distance. In any case, the discussion isnt limited to his 5k potential but what he might achieve as a distance runner. I don't believe he will ever be amongst the best 10k runners.
If he is not a natural 5k runner, but a limited 5k runner, then that is truely a testament to his work ethic and genius training scheme. Imagine being 2x world champ, 1x olympic champ and 2x european champ despite not being a natural 5k runner!
However I think it should be apples to apples, does not make any sense to require a runner to run rqual to what Bekele did over his whole career over 6 championships and one DL. As we all know, the fast 5000m times are not set in championships. We will see 😊
He is a limited 5k runner rather than a "natural" 5k runner. His times show that. Cheptegei and Bekele show better what a natural 5k runner is. They were considerably faster over the distance. In any case, the discussion isnt limited to his 5k potential but what he might achieve as a distance runner. I don't believe he will ever be amongst the best 10k runners.
1. He is a 5k runner but not the best the event has seen, or even the best in this era, which would require he beat the wr.
2. He is no closer to taking the 5k record until he shows it with a faster time over the distance. Faster times over shorter distances don't necessarily translate to faster times over a longer distance. Athletes have their best distances and can't run all distances equally well. I think his best distances are 2k-2 mile. To be in contention for the 5k wr I would suggest he has to show he is already close to it. He isn't. As I have said previously, unless he runs in the region of 12:40 I don't think he has a shot at the world mark.
Who is currently better in the 5k than the person who hasn't lost a 5k final since becoming an adult?
Bekele. Cheptegei. Ingebrigtsen hasn't got near them in times. If he ran more races we would also probably see him lose more often. Like he does in the 1500/mile.
But his score is 1292 in the 1500 while it is 1320 in the 3000. And i think many agree that Jakob is more of a 3000 than a 1500m runner nowadays.
With Jakobs age and background, and hunger for more records, it's natural to see a new 5000m WR from him in 3-5 years. 7.17 in a really confidant way, probably 2-3 second faster in the perfect race is a quite good indicator.
We might see both sub 3.26 and sub 12.35 summer -25.
You left out a sub-57 HM marathon and sub-2 hour marathon. He hasn't shown that he is as good over longer distances as he is over 2k-2m.
First. Are you saying the two time 5k world champion and current olympic 5k champ is not a 5k runner?
Second, no closer to the WR? If I run a 20 minute 5k, then 3 months later run a 9 minute 3k, are you arguing that I am no closer to a 19 minute 5k? This does not make any sense.
I am not saying that I think he will do the wr, I just find this logic puzzling.
Apparently Armstrong doesn't know that both Cheptegei and Bekele were low 12:50 runners before they broke the WRs in the 5000 respectively. He must've thought "they weren't close" back then either.
What I do notice is that they actually ran far faster than Ingebrigtsen has over 5k. That they improved doesn't mean Ingebrigtsen will achieve the same. His 5k progression has stalled for 3 years.
Who is currently better in the 5k than the person who hasn't lost a 5k final since becoming an adult?
It's funny that Armstronglivs thinks Jakob isn't the best 1500m runner in the world despite being the fastest but thinks Cheptegei is a superior 5000m runner to Jakob even with his losing record. Double standards at its finest.
It isn't a question of times alone that makes the best - and I haven't said that. (Cheptegei also has Olympic titles so he isn't exactly a loser). But Ingebrigtsen keeps losing to other runners over the 1500 in championship finals. So that means he may not be the best at that distance but one of the best.
It's funny that Armstronglivs thinks Jakob isn't the best 1500m runner in the world despite being the fastest but thinks Cheptegei is a superior 5000m runner to Jakob even with his losing record. Double standards at its finest.
He also thinks Mo Farahs PB being worse than what Jakob set when 21 and not having attempted a time trial is irrelevant for the all time best 5k/10k ranking, he's such a hilarious person
Farah has a far better championship record in his specialty events than does Ingebrigtsen. He was clearly the best 5k/10k runner in his era. His lack of records doesn't alter that. But Ingebrigtsen doesn't have enough championship titles or records - none over championship distances - to claim that.
1. He is a 5k runner but not the best the event has seen, or even the best in this era, which would require he beat the wr.
2. He is no closer to taking the 5k record until he shows it with a faster time over the distance. Faster times over shorter distances don't necessarily translate to faster times over a longer distance. Athletes have their best distances and can't run all distances equally well. I think his best distances are 2k-2 mile. To be in contention for the 5k wr I would suggest he has to show he is already close to it. He isn't. As I have said previously, unless he runs in the region of 12:40 I don't think he has a shot at the world mark.
1. Never said he was.
2. You do you. Having a lot of progress over every distance below 5k, including 3k, while beating faster 5k (and 10k) runners in xc and in the 5k would make most believe that he has some progression in the 5k as well. Guess time will tell. Note that I think some of the logic here is weird, but I try to not speculate about a WR untill there is something concrete (say a DL event with the pace lights set to WR pace).
But you are speculating about a wr if you think he can possibly achieve it. If you say don't know then you are in the same position as most here but if you think he is unlikely to get it then you would be agreeing with me.
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He is a limited 5k runner rather than a "natural" 5k runner. His times show that. Cheptegei and Bekele show better what a natural 5k runner is. They were considerably faster over the distance. In any case, the discussion isnt limited to his 5k potential but what he might achieve as a distance runner. I don't believe he will ever be amongst the best 10k runners.
If he is not a natural 5k runner, but a limited 5k runner, then that is truely a testament to his work ethic and genius training scheme. Imagine being 2x world champ, 1x olympic champ and 2x european champ despite not being a natural 5k runner!
However I think it should be apples to apples, does not make any sense to require a runner to run rqual to what Bekele did over his whole career over 6 championships and one DL. As we all know, the fast 5000m times are not set in championships. We will see 😊
The term "natural" here is being used to suggest he is as best suited to that distance as anyone has ever been - and through giftedness and not just hard work. He hasn't shown he is as suited as all those who have so far run faster.
Who is currently better in the 5k than the person who hasn't lost a 5k final since becoming an adult?
Bekele. Cheptegei. Ingebrigtsen hasn't got near them in times. If he ran more races we would also probably see him lose more often. Like he does in the 1500/mile.
Your definition of era is completely useless if it includes Bekele who set his PB in 2004 and retired from track in 2012, and no, Cheptegei isn't better when he has a single global gold medal.
You're aware that Cheptegei dropped out of the 5000m final at Paris, right? That it's Cheptegei who's afraid of racing and losing and not Jakob?
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