He made room for more top recruits.
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ChipdaFlo wrote:
Actually kind of impressive how much of an unapologetic dick this guy is. Kind of respect it a little, at least you know what you're signing up for
It's def the short guy energy we should have expected.
From a real world perspective, the cuts make sense but the fact is, the transfer portal just closed and students are screwed. Is that Sean's fault? Probably more the AD's fault but if there's a skill that all leaders must have now - it's leading with empathy.
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Avery IPA wrote:
RunRalphieRun wrote:
This is not the right way to handle things. They should have at least given the kids some time to prove themselves. The route they chose is lazy and selfish. Not only is it off-putting to alumni, community and donors, but it is also repulsive to top recruits. If I am a top recruit I would absolutely avoid this program at all costs. Recruits should be looking at programs that are able to develop their athletes, have kids who improve each year, care about the team culture, etc. They shouldn't have to worry that if they get injured or sick that they may be cut, or that their coach may just flippantly cut teammates without a second thought. That's not an environment built for long term success.
They ain't true freshmen, they had plenty of opportunity in Wetmore's lame duck year to prove themselves. Keeping them around is just more f*cking around. Glad you feel the coaches and program should have that luxury posting this from your sofa in Dork City. You were never on the same level as a top recruit, you wouldn't have the first clue what they think nor what leads to long term success in the modern age.
Well, you're certainly wrong about your assumptions about me. I've been at the top level individually and as a team. This is why it's so crystal clear they're making HUGE mistakes with this program. I care about the future of this program. If you are the athletic administration or the coach, please please please take a hard look at this plan. It's a mistake. People are upset because they care about it. It's like watching a train wreck. Please pause and think about where you're headed. #skobuffs
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The 12.6 scholarship rule is the guiding principle here. In order to free scholarship money he had to cut some runners to open up room for giving money to his Tennessee runners who will follow. This thread taught me something. I did not know that an incoming head coach could in fact use scholarship money from cut runners to fund new scholarships up to the NCAA limit. I don't know why he cut the non-scholarship guys though seems like it is non-productive.
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That’s enough cut talent for a 16’ 4x 1600m
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The Original P.i.m.p. Baller wrote:
CU insider wrote:
Interesting part is that CU athletic department announces non-renewal of Wetmore, and then waits nearly 30 days to name replacement (2 weeks before XC season starts). The cuts were formally made on Monday, so the guys had less than 5-6 hours to make a decision to stay (and not be part of the team) or enter portal and give up scholarship.
They deserve every bit of scrutiny if that's how it went down. That's pathetic.
And, for the people who say "it's a business," okay, sure! Is it "good business" to completely abandon the ethos that made people fans of your program in the first place? Is it "good business" to try to build local support for a team of hired guns, rather than a bunch of home-grown kids? I'm selling CU stock and buying CSU/Air Force/Mines.
This “is” exactly how it went down!!!
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see you wrote:
He made room for more top recruits.
Wetmore in trouble with BMI for making people lose a few pounds. Carlson has reduced BMI to zero eliminating all the weight. The inquiry will start shortly.
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Product wrote:
real_kellen_olmstead_two wrote:
A coach doesn't coach to become your friend. They come to produce a product for the school. That is their objective. It is not to be your friend or buddy. If you are not an asset to the team, then you are a liability. You can train on your own but you do not deserve to wear a Buffs XC uniform if you're not producing.
I believe this sentiment is why many coaches underperform or fail in college. Coaches absolutely do not produce a product for the school or admins. Their main job is to give their student athletes a great experience. Quite a few of the athletes in front of them pay a lot of money to be there. If your desire is to produce a product for admins, you will not reach your potential as a coach. If coaches choose to give athletes their greatest experience and the best 4 years of their athletic career, they will be more successful.
At most colleges I know, the amount students pay is trivial to the university’s bottom line. Most of the money coming in is from investment management, donations, grants, etc. I think most college administrators see providing services to students as a relatively unimportant part of their job.
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All these guys appear to be just fast enough to not score at top div I level. I can understand where he is coming from. Less energy and resources wasted. No different than top basketball team cutting players just sitting around on bench.
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This is not exactly right... those guys were scholarship guys, but not big scholarships. He didn't make much room for TN recruits, but made a huge difference to the guys he cut.
One more thing -- imagine the arrogance of figuring out who should be cut in a 15-minute meeting with each guy. It's insane. During recruiting, Wetmore would ask about training programs (length and intensity), offseason training, etc. He was trying to figure out whether a runner had already reached their ceiling. For 18-year old guys, assessing the possible ceiling over the next four years is the KEY question for recruiting. Guys that have trained at high-quality programs since middle school may be much closer to their ceiling.
Prediction -- Carlson misjudged several of the athletes that were cut. In doing so, he really set the program back, didn't save any real money for the near term, and put real questions into the mind of new recruits.
PS - remember, Emily Covert transferred from CU to Tennessee for track this year. She's really good and lasted one semester under Carlson. He'll be gone soon, but the impact on these nine guys goes for a long time.
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RunRalphieRun wrote:
Avery IPA wrote:
They ain't true freshmen, they had plenty of opportunity in Wetmore's lame duck year to prove themselves. Keeping them around is just more f*cking around. Glad you feel the coaches and program should have that luxury posting this from your sofa in Dork City. You were never on the same level as a top recruit, you wouldn't have the first clue what they think nor what leads to long term success in the modern age.
Well, you're certainly wrong about your assumptions about me. I've been at the top level individually and as a team. This is why it's so crystal clear they're making HUGE mistakes with this program. I care about the future of this program. If you are the athletic administration or the coach, please please please take a hard look at this plan. It's a mistake. People are upset because they care about it. It's like watching a train wreck. Please pause and think about where you're headed. #skobuffs
Yeah dude. And I invented IPA. How can you be certain of that? Because I posted it on the LRC message board.
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The runners were NOT given a choice or even a chance to prove themselves!!!
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BloJo Johnson wrote:
ChipdaFlo wrote:
Actually kind of impressive how much of an unapologetic dick this guy is. Kind of respect it a little, at least you know what you're signing up for
It's def the short guy energy we should have expected.
From a real world perspective, the cuts make sense but the fact is, the transfer portal just closed and students are screwed. Is that Sean's fault? Probably more the AD's fault but if there's a skill that all leaders must have now - it's leading with empathy.
All this is the AD's fault. He screwed the cut guys from transferring to another school. IF AD wanted roster down to 17, HE should have cut these kids months ago. Or told them what was coming.
An AD doesn't have the authority to cut kids? Is that wot ur telling me?
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moorest wrote:
Product wrote:
I believe this sentiment is why many coaches underperform or fail in college. Coaches absolutely do not produce a product for the school or admins. Their main job is to give their student athletes a great experience. Quite a few of the athletes in front of them pay a lot of money to be there. If your desire is to produce a product for admins, you will not reach your potential as a coach. If coaches choose to give athletes their greatest experience and the best 4 years of their athletic career, they will be more successful.
At most colleges I know, the amount students pay is trivial to the university’s bottom line. Most of the money coming in is from investment management, donations, grants, etc. I think most college administrators see providing services to students as a relatively unimportant part of their job.
Fair statement but I stand by mine. The best NCAA coaches care a whole lot about the product they give to their athletes. If a college coach wants to succeed, create a partnership with your athletes, care about them and believe in them more than anything. You will succeed more by doing that than focusing on a product for an AD. Why would recruits trust a guy that does this? Why would HS coaches recommend his program? How do athletes perform well when they are worried about getting cut?
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Product wrote:
moorest wrote:
At most colleges I know, the amount students pay is trivial to the university’s bottom line. Most of the money coming in is from investment management, donations, grants, etc. I think most college administrators see providing services to students as a relatively unimportant part of their job.
Fair statement but I stand by mine. The best NCAA coaches care a whole lot about the product they give to their athletes. If a college coach wants to succeed, create a partnership with your athletes, care about them and believe in them more than anything. You will succeed more by doing that than focusing on a product for an AD. Why would recruits trust a guy that does this? Why would HS coaches recommend his program? How do athletes perform well when they are worried about getting cut?
And sure the amount a student pays is trivial to the school. BUT it is not trivial to most of those athletes.
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You are an idiot!! How dare you question this and disrespect these young men who we know and watched run! GTFO!
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CU insider wrote:
Carlson was the 5th choice. Cornfield, Jenny Simpson, Joe Bosshard all turned down the job (and another alum whose name I won't mention). More than anything, I think that shows how deeply disrespected the CU athletic department (specifically Cory Hilliard) is at this point.
Amazing that was the list for one of the best jobs in XC. Admin threw away a ton of good resumes without even a call.
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CU insider wrote:
Carlson was the 5th choice. Cornfield, Jenny Simpson, Joe Bosshard all turned down the job (and another alum whose name I won't mention). More than anything, I think that shows how deeply disrespected the CU athletic department (specifically Cory Hilliard) is at this point.
Can someone else confirm this bombshell???
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hagelian dialectic wrote:
CU insider wrote:
Carlson was the 5th choice. Cornfield, Jenny Simpson, Joe Bosshard all turned down the job (and another alum whose name I won't mention). More than anything, I think that shows how deeply disrespected the CU athletic department (specifically Cory Hilliard) is at this point.
Can someone else confirm this bombshell???
Every single one of these nameless CU insiders is a troll. 100%
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