Who would win in an all-star 1500m final between the last 12 Olympic champions in their primes?

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2 years ago 07/20/2023 7:21pm EDT

re: All stars

All stars wrote:
The field is:
Jakob Ingebrigsten (2020)
Matthew Centrowitz (2016)
Taoufik Makhloufi (2012)
Asbel Kiprop (2008)
Hicham El Guerrouj (2004)
Noah Ngeny (2000)
Noureddine Morceli (1996)
Fermin Cacho (1992)
Peter Romo (1988)
Seb Coe (1984)
Seb Coe (1980)
John Walker (1976)

Where is Steve Ovett? I just remembered it was the 800m gold he won, not the 1500m

This post was edited 4 minutes after it was posted. Reason provided: remembered the facts about his gold medal.

2 years ago 07/20/2023 8:26pm EDT

re: Spudland

None of these posts say anything definitive or even meaningful about the runners being discussed; they only show the way people here think.

2 years ago 07/20/2023 8:43pm EDT

re: THOUGHTSLEADER

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
beyondstupidity wrote:
3 (!) mistakes in the name of the currently most discussed track and field athlete. From one of the best posters here.
Truly sorry my phone autocorrects it to a misspelling. But I appreciate the kind words, nonetheless.

My auto fill has got it in its head that it’s “Ingrebrigtsen” and I have to be careful to bypass it every time - it’s so annoying. I actually thought you were just effing around with that spelling and “beyondstupidity” was too keen on calling everyone stupid to realize it.

2 years ago 07/20/2023 8:57pm EDT

re: beyondstupidity

beyondstupidity wrote:
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Ingrebridsten
Heh might be prisoner of the moment I’ll cede. I don’t think Jakob is better than El Guerrouj at all but I could see him running a smarter, more patient race (like in Tokyo).
3 (!) mistakes in the name of the currently most discussed track and field athlete. From one of the best posters here.

You praise him, then you insult him using a username? Fine.

This post was edited 26 seconds after it was posted.

2 years ago 07/20/2023 9:06pm EDT

re: Coevett

Coevett wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
What a stupid observation. To put them in the same race presumes they have all the advantages of competing - and training - in the same era. That levels it for all of them.
El G in supershoes and wavelights wins in 3:22 then records the highest EPO reading ever seen in the post-race testing sample.

4th highest sample after Coe, Coe, Jakob.

2 years ago 07/20/2023 9:10pm EDT

re: All stars

All stars wrote:
The field is:
Jakob Ingebrigsten (2020)
Matthew Centrowitz (2016)
Taoufik Makhloufi (2012)
Asbel Kiprop (2008)
Hicham El Guerrouj (2004)
Noah Ngeny (2000)
Noureddine Morceli (1996)
Fermin Cacho (1992)
Peter Romo (1988)
Seb Coe (1984)
Seb Coe (1980)
John Walker (1976)

Are drug cheats DQ'd? If so, who are the alternates?

2 years ago 07/20/2023 11:18pm EDT

re: 2 da gylz

2 da gylz wrote:
All stars wrote:
The field is:
Jakob Ingebrigsten (2020)
Matthew Centrowitz (2016)
Taoufik Makhloufi (2012)
Asbel Kiprop (2008)
Hicham El Guerrouj (2004)
Noah Ngeny (2000)
Noureddine Morceli (1996)
Fermin Cacho (1992)
Peter Romo (1988)
Seb Coe (1984)
Seb Coe (1980)
John Walker (1976)
Are drug cheats DQ'd? If so, who are the alternates?

Well Kiprop originally got silver, so yes it appears so.

Man sucks for Willis that they didn’t upgrade him to gold.

2 years ago 07/21/2023 1:07am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
None of these posts say anything definitive or even meaningful about the runners being discussed; they only show the way people here think.

Says a lot about your lack of brain power.

And whilst I am here ; Elliot would then beat the winner. Just saying !

2 years ago 07/21/2023 1:21am EDT

re: Herbie E hates Armstrong

Herbie E hates Armstrong wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
None of these posts say anything definitive or even meaningful about the runners being discussed; they only show the way people here think.
Says a lot about your lack of brain power.
And whilst I am here ; Elliot would then beat the winner. Just saying !

His name is Elliott. So you just demonstrate what I've said.

2 years ago 07/21/2023 2:03am EDT

re: Armstronglivs

Armstronglivs wrote:
Herbie E hates Armstrong wrote:
Says a lot about your lack of brain power.
And whilst I am here ; Elliot would then beat the winner. Just saying !
His name is Elliott. So you just demonstrate what I've said.

Stunning victory for the intellectual pigmy who is the troll in chief .

2 years ago 07/21/2023 4:45am EDT

re: optimus prime number

optimus prime number wrote:
At ages 2, 3, and 5, I think we can safely assume none of them would finish.
Given the healthier environment for children in African countries, I would give the advantage to Walker, Coe, Centrowicz, and Ingebrigsten at ages 7, 11, and 13.
Ages 17, 19, 23, 29, and 31 I have to give it to El Guerrouj; he is the WR holder after all.
I personally don't know of any who continued to compete as a Master runner so ages 37, 41, 43, and 47 are a real toss-up. We can probably toss out Centrowicz because he will probably get heavy like his father and most Americans by his 40s.
Once we hit 53, 59, 61, 67, 71 and 73, well, I must go with Coe. Like him or not as head of WA, the guy still looks in great shape for his age.
Beyond that, attrition will start to eliminate the contenders. I'm sure several will make it to 79 and 83, but, just like as toddlers, most will not be able to finish.
By 89, 97, and 101, we can safely say that there will be no finishers and very few will be alive.

Still a more relevant post than the guy insisting "prime means best single race ever, so just compare times".

2 years ago 07/21/2023 7:41am EDT

re: birdbeard

birdbeard wrote:
2 da gylz wrote:
Are drug cheats DQ'd? If so, who are the alternates?
Well Kiprop originally got silver, so yes it appears so.
Man sucks for Willis that they didn’t upgrade him to gold.

He shoulda gotten silver for that to happen,

Just because Kiprop got busted in 17 doesnt mean he was doping in 08

They all get tested and they caught the one doping on that occasion

2 years ago 07/21/2023 7:44am EDT

re: crisscrosscountry

crisscrosscountry wrote:

Thoughtful answer. There may have been little equipment difference between the 80's & 90's, but what was the difference in EPO? I know it's impossible, but I try to think of this race as under as equal conditions as possible, with no equipment benefit, and little juice benefit. El G, because of his record, is certainly a favorite in this race, but anything that lags, just a little, Coe would be tough to deal with. I'd love to see a 5 race series with this group, that way we'd see them adapt to racing each other. Does someone win more than 1 of 5?

2 years ago 07/21/2023 7:51am EDT

re: translucent

translucent wrote:
optimus prime number wrote:
At ages 2, 3, and 5, I think we can safely assume none of them would finish.
Given the healthier environment for children in African countries, I would give the advantage to Walker, Coe, Centrowicz, and Ingebrigsten at ages 7, 11, and 13.
Ages 17, 19, 23, 29, and 31 I have to give it to El Guerrouj; he is the WR holder after all.
I personally don't know of any who continued to compete as a Master runner so ages 37, 41, 43, and 47 are a real toss-up. We can probably toss out Centrowicz because he will probably get heavy like his father and most Americans by his 40s.
Once we hit 53, 59, 61, 67, 71 and 73, well, I must go with Coe. Like him or not as head of WA, the guy still looks in great shape for his age.
Beyond that, attrition will start to eliminate the contenders. I'm sure several will make it to 79 and 83, but, just like as toddlers, most will not be able to finish.
By 89, 97, and 101, we can safely say that there will be no finishers and very few will be alive.
Still a more relevant post than the guy insisting "prime means best single race ever, so just compare times".

Good luck making a case against me.

In his prime El G, without super shoes, ran a time nobody has touched. With the shoes he’s beyond untouchable.

Don’t hate me because I know what prime means.

2 years ago 07/21/2023 8:27am EDT

re: Roro Sila

Roro Sila wrote:
He shoulda gotten silver for that to happen,
Just because Kiprop got busted in 17 doesnt mean he was doping in 08
They all get tested and they caught the one doping on that occasion

🤣🤣🤣🤣

He shouldn't have the benefit of the doubt. Convicted dopers should have all their performances, medals, and records scrubbed.

Not failing a test at Beijing just means he didn't inject enough EPO in the previous 12 hours to trigger a bust. He got caught literally the moment random testing in Kenya finally became a thing. Even then he would have got off with it if he had bribed the testers with tea money.

Also, the OP states their prime, and if you think he wasn't doping when making running 3:26 in old shoes and no wavelights look easy, and only started when running 3:33 and some testing, you're a clown.

2 years ago 07/21/2023 8:54am EDT

re: RossiCheated

RossiCheated wrote:
translucent wrote:
Still a more relevant post than the guy insisting "prime means best single race ever, so just compare times".
Good luck making a case against me.
In his prime El G, without super shoes, ran a time nobody has touched. With the shoes he’s beyond untouchable.
Don’t hate me because I know what prime means.

El G's probably the favorite (unless he was doped to the gills and would inevitably be disqualified by modern testing). But he lost the 2000 Olympic final when he was in his prime by any definition anyone but you uses. That has never been used to mean "the best day of someone's career and nothing else".

2 years ago 07/21/2023 9:04am EDT

re: Coevett

Coevett wrote:
Also, the OP states their prime, and if you think he wasn't doping when making running 3:26 in old shoes and no wavelights look easy, and only started when running 3:33 and some testing, you're a clown.

It actually makes perfect sense that an athlete starts doping when he feels his career is in decline.

I have seen countless examples of that among recreational runners, so for a professional athlete, and a national star that would be hardly surprising.

2 years ago 07/21/2023 9:13am EDT

re: translucent

translucent wrote:
RossiCheated wrote:
Good luck making a case against me.
In his prime El G, without super shoes, ran a time nobody has touched. With the shoes he’s beyond untouchable.
Don’t hate me because I know what prime means.
El G's probably the favorite (unless he was doped to the gills and would inevitably be disqualified by modern testing). But he lost the 2000 Olympic final when he was in his prime by any definition anyone but you uses. That has never been used to mean "the best day of someone's career and nothing else".

If he lost, he wasn't in his prime, unless he ran his personal, lifetime best.

That is literally "by definition."

EDIT TO ADD:

Of course we will never know an answer, and it is likely that different runners would win on different days depending on tactics, luck, clipped heels, etc. So I would reframe to "Who would be the betting favorite for this race?"

The answer is: World record holder, El G, + super shoes is the most obvious betting favorite.

This post was edited 11 minutes after it was posted.

2 years ago 07/21/2023 9:19am EDT

re: Temp__Account

Temp__Account wrote:
beyondstupidity wrote:
3 (!) mistakes in the name of the currently most discussed track and field athlete. From one of the best posters here.
You praise him, then you insult him using a username? Fine.

The username is adressed to coevett.

Btw., you are also one of those completely incapable to write a simple name correctly.

2 years ago 07/21/2023 10:09am EDT

re: Herbie E hates Armstrong

Herbie E hates Armstrong wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
His name is Elliott. So you just demonstrate what I've said.
Stunning victory for the intellectual pigmy who is the troll in chief .

So you're the troll in chief?

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