Hate to state the obvious, but put these kids in 2017 shoes and we have a bunch of 4:01 and 4:02s. ....Just the way it used to always play out!
Just goes to show how incredible Webb and Ryun actually were. ....Ryun could've closed that race in 53.xx! Can you imagine if he had a Sowinski, mondo track and modern shoes!?!
all your post proves is that maybe shoes help; since they still couldnt touch times of the past still. the longer the world progresses the deeper each high school sport will become until there is a culture shift away from athletics. its not as simple as: shoe make u faster
Hate to state the obvious, but put these kids in 2017 shoes and we have a bunch of 4:01 and 4:02s. ....Just the way it used to always play out!
Just goes to show how incredible Webb and Ryun actually were. ....Ryun could've closed that race in 53.xx! Can you imagine if he had a Sowinski, mondo track and modern shoes!?!
I mostly agree with this. I think Hobbs Kessler and Colin Sahlman are the only ones i'm >75% sure could have broken 4 with the old shoes (Kessler im 100% on 3:34 is nuts). Maybe Gary Martin would straddle the line since he went 3:57 in a HS only race with no pacer which is more impressive than any non-Kessler race the last few years
Barely caught the race. They must have asked Sowinski for 59 mids instead of 58 mids? I found that to be anticlimactic.
I think they asked for the 58's but Sowinski always looks behind himself to make sure he's not gapping the people he's pacing and you saw him slow it up around the 200-300 mark because he was getting a few strides ahead. The field wasn't going with him so he slowed it a touch like a good pacer does
But after considering it again, I’d say next time just hit the 58’s because if a gap formed, that would have provided space for birnbaum to move up sooner.
Birnbaum v Leo Young at NON is going to be crazy, plus Lex and Burns in the mix too. 4 sub-4 in one race is crazy, and I've never heard of Matsatsa, but it looks like he ran a huge PR here, awesome for him.
i would put birnbaum and leo over salhman. Salhman ran that at prefontaine classic. one hell of an opportunity he had against pros, huge crowd and world stage.
disappointing for Burns and Birnbaum maybe, I don't think anyone watching was seriously expecting 3:53.
So why hype it up? Why do we let these guys talk like they’re in shape to run 3:53 and then just say “nobody seriously thought they could so it’s fine” when they face plant?
There are several posts in this very thread with people attempting to rationalize that 3:53 could happen.
Well I kind of admit I liked the hype. I'm not sure I turn it on without the hype.
If I'm not mistaken, Matsatsa is the first black HS sub 4 miler.
I know talking about race triggers some here, but if that stat is correct, I congratulate him, it's not common here in the USA.
He's been beating up on Aaron Sahlman in the 800 the last months, so it wasn't super surprising for him to run sub 4. It was just a question if he could translate his 800 time to the mile
I'd love to see Swoinski's contract - I don't think he should be paid. If the athletes and Letsrun hype up a HS record attempt and ask for 58s, Sowinski should have given them 58s. I can't find the splits but it looked online like the first last was around 59 and the second may have even been 60. Pacing needed to be faster. It was pretty sweet how they announced all the kids like a rock concert and they posed before going on the track. Great vibe at the event, although wearing sunglasses for a night meet? Wtf.
i would put birnbaum and leo over salhman. Salhman ran that at prefontaine classic. one hell of an opportunity he had against pros, huge crowd and world stage.
disagree. Colin Sahlman was a beast. No one in the class of '23 was anywhere near as dominant as Sahlman. The only HSers he lost to his entire senior year was his three teammates at Woodbridge, and future 1:46.4 guy Cade Flatt at NBIN. He was better across the board at XC, 800, and 3200 than Birnbaum, and even if you give them the same relative mile fitness I'd take Sahlman's kick any day over Birnbaum's (which is also nothing to yawn over)
So why hype it up? Why do we let these guys talk like they’re in shape to run 3:53 and then just say “nobody seriously thought they could so it’s fine” when they face plant?
There are several posts in this very thread with people attempting to rationalize that 3:53 could happen.
Well I kind of admit I liked the hype. I'm not sure I turn it on without the hype.
The class of '23 is pretty solid but I don't think there's anyone on the level of Colin Sahlman from last year. And he 'only' ran 3:56 so it was always ridiculous for anyone to suggest that 3:53 was possible.
no one on the Level of Colin Sahlman FROM THIS FIELD in the class of '23. Leo Young is a beast and is right on the same level of mile fitness as Sahlman last year.
Well, Burns is in better shape aerobically than ever before so he saw himself as dropping commensurately in the mile, but likely the aerobic work came at the cost of speedwork. No one was really going with Sowinski, so he slowed down and tried to get them to pick up a bit, but they were just 60 in the second lap, so the record chase was gone. Birnbaum was the strongest but didn't want any of the pace until the last lap. He might still have another second or two in him. Matsatsa was impressive. He didn't blow past everyone with the 1:48 speed in the last 200m as seemed possible but he merely dropped his pr 7 seconds and skipped 3:59. Heidisch impressed yet again. Hansen dropped to 3:58.
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