Klecker FURIOUS with Kincaid

You’re arguing against something I didn’t even say so this is clearly going nowhere. It’s unfortunate that neither got the standard with the way things played out, but that’s how it goes sometimes. I suspect this incident will be forgotten sooner than later because it doesn’t really matter. One thing I’m certain of is that the vitriol between posters here is far greater than any animosity that might exist between Klecker and Kincaid.

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Ooh, so edgy.
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It's weird reading this thread and seeing so many Kincaid defenders. I swear it wasn't that long ago many posters here were, shall I say, casting doubt on his accomplishments due to his club affiliation and post-collegiate progression. But now, because being contrarian is cool and based, you're all taking the opportunity to denigrate Klecker and OAC because they got such positive feedback when they first came on the scene.

Pre is spinning in his grave in response to your inaccurate description of how Pre would have reacted to a fellow competitor not helping with pacing. Exhibit A- July 1970 Pre was outkicked by Gerald Norpoth in 5,000 after leading the entire race . Pre referred to Norpoth's tatics as "Chickens**t (see The pre chronicles T&f News May 5, 2020). Pre despised Norpoth's tatics -see July 12 1973 Norpoth 13:20, Pre 13:23. See Runners world April 4,2006 on how Pre got into Norpoth's Face after the race . There is a story out there on how Pre went ballistic when seeing a photo in Dellinger's office of Olympic Toyko 1964 Final where Norpoth got the silver behind Dellinger . Another good source is the Pre Bio By Tom Jordan (See pages 71-72). Pre was no fan of Paul Geis Either. So If your going to use Pre to make a conjecture ,do it in a way that portray's Pre in a historically accurate manner. Inaccurate suppositions do a disservice to the Mans legacy .

I think this is well said. Kincaid seems to be pretty short-sighted.
There were no real “winners” in last night’s race.
when will they get another opportunity for a fast 10k? Not USA’s (that’ll probably be won in high 28s), not Budapest (Grant will be the only one close to being near the top 5), and not Prefontaine as World’s is too close.

Nahhh, Klecker brought this on himself by being a whiny, pisspoor sport.

"Wahh my calf SEIZED up and I almost couldn't finish, but I also managed to not slow down at all and kicked with a 56-second last lap" Yeah, okay Joe.

I guess I should've been clear I'm not defending Klecker either. I'm not a huge fan of either runner in this case, though I'll admit I have a soft spot for OAC because I like a few of their other runners. Mostly I just think it's funny how many Kincaid defenders have come out of the woodwork, and I think this is mostly due to the posters' contrarian impulses, similar to the Pre hating you see on here periodically.

If you were Kincaid, and if Klecker deliberately slowed, would you also be upset?

I suspect that if Pre were a better finisher, he might have had a different opinion about sportsmanship.

They can travel to the Hengelo meet where the sub-27's are run every year.

Or USATF can somehow organize a meet in the US with pacers and cash incentives for running Oly qualifiers. A good way to do this would be to offer cash bonuses to every Oly qualifier run. Is this not allowed, why don't countries already do this for their athletes?

I think Klecker being a dick trumps whatever it is people don't like about Kincaid

if usatf were to put something together they would schedule it for a week after USA champs and not tell anyone until two days before it’s going to be run.

On pure time trials like this, why don't they just have a someone 'pace' the last part of the race too?

i.e. Guy starts race and is quickly left behind keeps running but is out in lane 3 or 4 constantly getting lapped. Decides to pick it up, coincidentally, just as the leaders are pulling up behind with 4k to go. Blasts 4k with race leaders trailing. Then finishes remaining laps or drops out doesn't matter.

The helplessness about sub-27s to me is also kinda weird to me. Road races abound. Yes they are in Europe, but here're road races that went sub-27 or 27:00 last year without that being eligible for the standard which would incentivize them even more:

- Cannes (March 6)
-Adidas (road to records) ~ only for Adidas athletes so don't count that
-Brasov (Late September ~ perfect)
-Valencia (January)
-Lille (March 20)

So there're four options right now with two being great alternatives in Valencia and Brasov. Malaga (April 24) was at 27:16. I suspect the meet organizers would love to get some sub-27 hype. Spain and France are open for business as you can see.

Two observations that haven't been mentioned:

1. This was not a meaningless time trial. There were a lot of World Athletics points at stake last night regardless of time. Because of the new ranking system, there was far more value in Woody winning than running 27:01 for 2nd. No way on earth should he have passed those points up to earn some street cred with the critics.

2. Klecker seems to have closed a lot of ground on Woody since the BU 5k: Going from collapsing with exhaustion 4 seconds back to losing a couple seconds in the last 200 in an event twice as long after leading the lion's share of the last 3200m. Consider that Joe & Dathan have had multiple years to perfect their peaking cycle. Woody's ability to peak himself as good or better than Jerry is a huge question mark.

This is why American distance runners are losers. They set up time trials to barely get standards and then go to the Olympics or World champs and get lapped.

I seriously think with supershoes the road can be just as fast at 10K if not faster. Flat course with minimal turns, Rhonex Kipruto ran a 26:24 and hasn't come close on the track.

When was the last time an American was lapped at WC/Olympics? 2012?