Zane Robertson He lives in Iten, Kenya. At the age of 17 he and his twin brother Jake moved from New Zealand to Iten, Kenya, to further their running careers.
Nick Willis could dreams to be a new Peter Snell if he was born in the 60s but times have changed.
We should accept that some regions are more predisposed for running some distances. This is not genetics but pragmatic facts.
Kenyan distance runners don't have a higher oxygen uptake than American or European distance runners. It's strange that all the letsrun 'doping experts' don't know this.
All that waffle aside, drugs have been an increasing feature in the sport since the seventies. Performance levels have greatly increased across the board in that time while training methods have changed little. Most top athletes today perform at a higher level than the best altitude-trained athletes before drugs become pervasive. Therefore drugs also aid altitude-trained athletes - except to one who will not see it because he cannot bear the thought of his idols doping and his sport being rotten.
You are just supporting your previous baseless assumptions with more baseless assumptions.
From the 300 fastest male Marathon runners in history, almost 90% are of East African origin (big majority from Kenya and Ethiopia).
Doping can't explain this astonishing fact.
Indeed. This is hard for people to accept. So they try to explain it as something supernatural.
Of course it can. Multiple studies have shown that EPO alone improves 5K times by 20 - 30 seconds. A rampant doping culture exists in East Africa, and most East African marathoners are running at least 5 minutes faster than they could due to drugs.
Then you factor in that de-motivating effect among non-African marathoners of this, especially as you still get weirdos claiming that East Africans are some kind of supernatural beings with a massive and inexplicable genetic advantage. So it's a double whammy of deflation - East Africans are doped to the maxx, but they STILL have some kind of genetic advantage on top of that.
In East Africa, practically the only root out of poverty through sport is to become a marathoner.
Outside of Africa, the marathon ranks around 80th of professional sports open to any athletic young person (partly due to the reasons above).
What would the US marathon record be if you had 90% of athletic young men trying to become professional marathon runners AND you gave them all drugs that improve your marathon time by 5 to 10 minutes? You think there wouldn't be 100+ under 2 hours and 1000 under 2:10?
Indeed. This is hard for people to accept. So they try to explain it as something supernatural.
Of course it can. Multiple studies have shown that EPO alone improves 5K times by 20 - 30 seconds. A rampant doping culture exists in East Africa, and most East African marathoners are running at least 5 minutes faster than they could due to drugs.
Then you factor in that de-motivating effect among non-African marathoners of this, especially as you still get weirdos claiming that East Africans are some kind of supernatural beings with a massive and inexplicable genetic advantage. So it's a double whammy of deflation - East Africans are doped to the maxx, but they STILL have some kind of genetic advantage on top of that.
In East Africa, practically the only root out of poverty through sport is to become a marathoner.
Outside of Africa, the marathon ranks around 80th of professional sports open to any athletic young person (partly due to the reasons above).
What would the US marathon record be if you had 90% of athletic young men trying to become professional marathon runners AND you gave them all drugs that improve your marathon time by 5 to 10 minutes? You think there wouldn't be 100+ under 2 hours and 1000 under 2:10?
Exactly, one of the many reasons for the East African success is that they have such a high participation rate. Alongside with good genetics it's probably the main reason.
PEDs are something unheard of in the US, right?
Which PED would improve the Marathon time of a well trained athlete by 10 minutes?
Not jumping into the Kenyan accusations, but why is it that so few don't understand how the new shoes work? There is no motor generating a spring to my knowledge, it is only 'losing less energy', to those who already run in an optimal way to make use of returned energy.
Is it because most of these people have no benefit due to their running style.
Sorry - it can. Doping is likely to be more widespread in those countries. In the '70's and '80's running events were similarly dominated by the E Bloc. Some of the women's records still stand. We know why. As the appalling spate of doping infringements in Kenya are now showing, doping is the norm in their sport - as it was in the former E Bloc. In Ethiopia, doping control is largely non-existent.
No, it clearly can't. You should know that doping is widespread in any country all over the world - you have said so dozens of times in this forum. But it is so more sophisticated in some underdeveloped East African nations?
Germany in the 1970s and 1980s was one of the most developed countries in the world and with the state sponsored doping regimen in the GDR, the results were not a big surprise.
Doping is widespread and in all sports. But it is in some sports more than others and some countries more than others. Kenyan doping is of absurd proportions and suggests much of its athletes' success has been built upon it. I would think it is scarcely different from E Bloc doping, without it being driven by the state. However, you misunderstand why so many of their athletes are now being busted - it is because antidoping has been stepped up and doping in that country is relatively unsophisticated. It is well known in antidoping circles that it is the dumb and the careless who are caught. The situation in Ethiopia would be similar if they actually had testing.
Zane Robertson He lives in Iten, Kenya. At the age of 17 he and his twin brother Jake moved from New Zealand to Iten, Kenya, to further their running careers.
Nick Willis could dreams to be a new Peter Snell if he was born in the 60s but times have changed.
We should accept that some regions are more predisposed for running some distances. This is not genetics but pragmatic facts.
Kenyan distance runners don't have a higher oxygen uptake than American or European distance runners. It's strange that all the letsrun 'doping experts' don't know this.
The ghost of Jon Orange continues to haunt this board. Doping doesn't work ... sigh.
No, it clearly can't. You should know that doping is widespread in any country all over the world - you have said so dozens of times in this forum. But it is so more sophisticated in some underdeveloped East African nations?
Germany in the 1970s and 1980s was one of the most developed countries in the world and with the state sponsored doping regimen in the GDR, the results were not a big surprise.
Doping is widespread and in all sports. But it is in some sports more than others and some countries more than others. Kenyan doping is of absurd proportions and suggests much of its athletes' success has been built upon it. I would think it is scarcely different from E Bloc doping, without it being driven by the state. However, you misunderstand why so many of their athletes are now being busted - it is because antidoping has been stepped up and doping in that country is relatively unsophisticated. It is well known in antidoping circles that it is the dumb and the careless who are caught. The situation in Ethiopia would be similar if they actually had testing.
Doping is widespread in the US. In North Africa. In many parts of Europe.
Please tel me how "doping" explains the astonishing dominance of East Africa in the Marathon and all of road running.
Doping is widespread and in all sports. But it is in some sports more than others and some countries more than others. Kenyan doping is of absurd proportions and suggests much of its athletes' success has been built upon it. I would think it is scarcely different from E Bloc doping, without it being driven by the state. However, you misunderstand why so many of their athletes are now being busted - it is because antidoping has been stepped up and doping in that country is relatively unsophisticated. It is well known in antidoping circles that it is the dumb and the careless who are caught. The situation in Ethiopia would be similar if they actually had testing.
Doping is widespread in the US. In North Africa. In many parts of Europe.
Please tel me how "doping" explains the astonishing dominance of East Africa in the Marathon and all of road running.
Please explain why there are more distance running doping busts in a year in Kenya than in ten years in the US and Europe?
Doping is widespread and in all sports. But it is in some sports more than others and some countries more than others. Kenyan doping is of absurd proportions and suggests much of its athletes' success has been built upon it. I would think it is scarcely different from E Bloc doping, without it being driven by the state. However, you misunderstand why so many of their athletes are now being busted - it is because antidoping has been stepped up and doping in that country is relatively unsophisticated. It is well known in antidoping circles that it is the dumb and the careless who are caught. The situation in Ethiopia would be similar if they actually had testing.
Doping is widespread in the US. In North Africa. In many parts of Europe.
Please tel me how "doping" explains the astonishing dominance of East Africa in the Marathon and all of road running.
Please explain to me how a boy from the one family in Norway that preferred distance running to xcountry skiing humiliated some of the greastest East Africans in history this year, whilst stopping to sign autographs on the way? According to many here, he doesn't even have the ideal phenotype for distance running.
Doping is widespread in the US. In North Africa. In many parts of Europe.
Please tel me how "doping" explains the astonishing dominance of East Africa in the Marathon and all of road running.
Please explain to me how a boy from the one family in Norway that preferred distance running to xcountry skiing humiliated some of the greastest East Africans in history this year, whilst stopping to sign autographs on the way? According to many here, he doesn't even have the ideal phenotype for distance running.
It is a bit strange that the "natural" dominance of E Africans seems to be increasingly challenged - again - by European runners. Takes me back to the early eighties.
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Before these dates they had a tiny impact worldwide.
Which mean that some "culture" had spread locally in Kenya, that lead them to be placed in Category A since 2016 and that culminated to the 30 busts of this year.
Doping is widespread in the US. In North Africa. In many parts of Europe.
Please tell me how "doping" explains the astonishing dominance of East Africa in the Marathon and all of road running.
Please explain why there are more distance running doping busts in a year in Kenya than in ten years in the US and Europe?
Maybe more dopers (from a pool of much much more top runners)? More tests? Not so sophisticated doping? A bit of everything?
Please tell me how "doping" explains the astonishing dominance of East Africa in the Marathon and all of road running. From the 300 fastest Marathon runners in history, around 270 are of East African origin. Tell me how this region of maybe 300 Million people can have much much more top road runners than the rest of something like 7700 Million people.
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