22 MPW with some cross training and she runs the fastest time in history. I can only assume that she would have run 15:10 had she been able to run 70 MPW. Mileage will probably be her limiting factor. Let's hope she can slowly work up to 40 MPW and drop her 5k to around 15 minutes but it seems that she won't be the next 14:25 American if she can't work up to 75 Mpw over time.
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not sure if people have been paying attention, but Dalia Frias is prob right around this 15:25 fitness rn as well. didn't so much as grimace during her recent 4:33 v Englehardt.
frias would be my #1 pick in the nation rn for hs girls if i was a college coach.
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yoletsrun get real wrote:
not sure if people have been paying attention, but Dalia Frias is prob right around this 15:25 fitness rn as well. didn't so much as grimace during her recent 4:33 v Englehardt.
frias would be my #1 pick in the nation rn for hs girls if i was a college coach.
Yea I thought someone said cook had no hs competition and frias came to mind. Not sure she could run 1525 but 940 could happen.
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Tuohy was a lifetime talent. Are you claiming that 2 girls are faster than her just 2 years after her?
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There are hundreds of boys who run 4:33 who come nowhere near 15:25. I would give her 15:45.
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FastTuohy wrote:
yoletsrun get real wrote:
not sure if people have been paying attention, but Dalia Frias is prob right around this 15:25 fitness rn as well. didn't so much as grimace during her recent 4:33 v Englehardt.
frias would be my #1 pick in the nation rn for hs girls if i was a college coach.
Yea I thought someone said cook had no hs competition and frias came to mind. Not sure she could run 1525 but 940 could happen.
Englehardt prob close as well. She led for all but the last 20m or so of that race where Frias went 4:35 (full mile). And she just ran a solo 2:05 in the 800 this weekend. Put those two girls in a race that's won in 15:20ish and they at least have a shot at being 10 secs either way of 15:30.
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You guys got spoiled by Hutchins and Cook. It isn't easy or many would have done it.
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Don't that much of a difference over the years. Think you are confusing her with someone else.
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nice now wrote:
Tuohy was a lifetime talent. Are you claiming that 2 girls are faster than her just 2 years after her?
Nah, actually I'm claiming that it appears 3 girls could be faster than her about 3-4 years after Tuohy's peak in HS.
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astro wrote:
Don't that much of a difference over the years. Think you are confusing her with someone else.
who is the her in "confusing her"? not trying to be difficult, just not sure who you mean specifically.
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nice now wrote:
There are hundreds of boys who run 4:33 who come nowhere near 15:25. I would give her 15:45.
nearly all of those boys will have a greater anaerobic capacity though, so as the distance extends out the girls start to pull ahead. but regardless, 15:45 would be mighty impressive.
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high school xc coach wrote:
we knew she was running 15-20 per week as of 6 months ago, any chance she has upped her mileage? perhaps even doubled it?
She said she puts on all her running on Strava which shows only about 20 miles per week.
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yoletsrun get real wrote:
FastTuohy wrote:
Yea I thought someone said cook had no hs competition and frias came to mind. Not sure she could run 1525 but 940 could happen.
Englehardt prob close as well. She led for all but the last 20m or so of that race where Frias went 4:35 (full mile). And she just ran a solo 2:05 in the 800 this weekend. Put those two girls in a race that's won in 15:20ish and they at least have a shot at being 10 secs either way of 15:30.
No way that Frias or Engelhardt could run 15:30 right now.
15:30 is 10:00 at the 3200 split and those 2 girls would struggle just to run a 10:00 3200, never mind keep going at that pace for another 1800 meters.
Angelina Perez is better at 5k than either Frias or Engelhardt and even Perez only ran a 9:56 2 mile a few weeks ago, which means that no way Perez runs a 15:30 either.
Natalie Cook is in a league of her own right now.
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Yikes That\'s Fast wrote:
yoletsrun get real wrote:
Englehardt prob close as well. She led for all but the last 20m or so of that race where Frias went 4:35 (full mile). And she just ran a solo 2:05 in the 800 this weekend. Put those two girls in a race that's won in 15:20ish and they at least have a shot at being 10 secs either way of 15:30.
No way that Frias or Engelhardt could run 15:30 right now.
15:30 is 10:00 at the 3200 split and those 2 girls would struggle just to run a 10:00 3200, never mind keep going at that pace for another 1800 meters.
Angelina Perez is better at 5k than either Frias or Engelhardt and even Perez only ran a 9:56 2 mile a few weeks ago, which means that no way Perez runs a 15:30 either.
Natalie Cook is in a league of her own right now.
You might check on frias's 3200 pr
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Yikes That's Fast wrote:
yoletsrun get real wrote:
Englehardt prob close as well. She led for all but the last 20m or so of that race where Frias went 4:35 (full mile). And she just ran a solo 2:05 in the 800 this weekend. Put those two girls in a race that's won in 15:20ish and they at least have a shot at being 10 secs either way of 15:30.
No way that Frias or Engelhardt could run 15:30 right now.
15:30 is 10:00 at the 3200 split and those 2 girls would struggle just to run a 10:00 3200, never mind keep going at that pace for another 1800 meters.
Angelina Perez is better at 5k than either Frias or Engelhardt and even Perez only ran a 9:56 2 mile a few weeks ago, which means that no way Perez runs a 15:30 either.
Natalie Cook is in a league of her own right now.
frias ran 9:59 in her second meet of the year, with second place coming in at 12:40. she was cruising and her 4:33 1600 where she was also never straining shows she's in way better shape than 9:59.
frias and engelhardt are both faster than cook over 800 and 1600. i get the 5000 is a totally different ballgame, but i think people are severely underestimating them.
not sure if they are matching up at arcadia in the 3200. hope so.
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I mean she really has not changed all that much from 2019 onward.
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astro wrote:
I mean she really has not changed all that much from 2019 onward.
natalie cook? you can't be serious.
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yoletsrun get real wrote:
Yikes That's Fast wrote:
No way that Frias or Engelhardt could run 15:30 right now.
15:30 is 10:00 at the 3200 split and those 2 girls would struggle just to run a 10:00 3200, never mind keep going at that pace for another 1800 meters.
Angelina Perez is better at 5k than either Frias or Engelhardt and even Perez only ran a 9:56 2 mile a few weeks ago, which means that no way Perez runs a 15:30 either.
Natalie Cook is in a league of her own right now.
frias ran 9:59 in her second meet of the year, with second place coming in at 12:40. she was cruising and her 4:33 1600 where she was also never straining shows she's in way better shape than 9:59.
frias and engelhardt are both faster than cook over 800 and 1600. i get the 5000 is a totally different ballgame, but i think people are severely underestimating them.
not sure if they are matching up at arcadia in the 3200. hope so.
Englehardt also ran 10:00 this Spring winning by 46 seconds
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Yes. There are pictures of her from 2019, 2020, 2021, etc. There is another runner of the same name who does look completely different.
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