CDC: Myocarditis is 27 to 219 times more common in males Cole Hocker's age post-vaccination than expected

Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:

Hey rojo, this happen to any vaccine recipients yet?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1274102

Or since you like focus on athletes, this?

https://www.mmamania.com/2021/2/13/22281525/khamzat-chimaevs-team-details-recent-covid-19-symptoms-thought-he-was-going-to-die-edwards-ufc-mma

Or this?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/30/health/coronavirus-athlete-covid-19-ahmad-ayyad-john-hopkins-trnd/index.html

Well, Marvin Hagler, DMX., and Hank Aaron all died right after taking the vax.

Along with thousands of others.

Why take the vax after you already had Covid?

Makes no sense at all.

But Big pharma is pushing it

JFC... rojo desperately grasping at straws here after his absolutely horrible take on Hocker not being vaccinated. Attempts to find a better example (although completely unrelated to the original argument) to support his take and somehow presents an almost equally terrible argument. It really is like watching a train wreck.

Wrong:

I'll second that. Cherry picked stats presented out of context by a hack with a platform. This stuff muddies the water, confuses people, and deaths ensue.

Harambe wrote:

[quote]Yawn^9 wrote:

“Fantasy of independence?!” Shoot. I forgot that the Constitution and the fallen soldiers represent a fantasy. Silly me.

Fee free to move to China. They will help you get rid of that fantasy real quick.

Wait until you hear that George Washington MANDATED immunization for his soldiers.

Wait until you hear that they did not have vaccines in the 18th century.

Can you imagine believing vaccines provide immunity more effectively than having and recovering from the virus?

Big Pharama and their propaganda machine is pushing this and most people are buying it.

Crazy

Wow. Thank you for this vigorous response. i didn't realize that you were so concerned about those who end up with side effects from the vaccine. Your utter disregard for the millions who have perished from COVID itself must have led me astray. My apologies Stitchmo.

Oh, and as to your last point, I knew exactly what to expect when I got the vaccine, and that is what happened. your whole opinion rests on the idea that we can't "trust the science." I am fortunate to do so. I am sorry that your education seems to have left you in the dark on this issue.

Good luck!

This is absolute nonsense and is completely misinterpreting the Pilgrim study or you've been spending too much time on anti-vax we sites. VAERS is a passive system so many reactions aren't reported but there's also a lot of garbage reported on there. The numbers you reported, even if in the correct context wouldn't be close to the underreporting for myocarditis. Those type of numbers include reporting of arm pain, rash, etc. There's no way myocarditis reporting is anywhere close to 1-2%. I guarantee you people who end up with myocarditis after Covid vaccine aren't reporting at a 1-2% level.

NERunner0353 wrote:

Enough of this free speech nonsense. Sure, believe & think whatever you like. But for the love of god everyone should be vaccinated. There isn't a good reason not to have it in the US. We should educate people. We should shame people. We should have higher vaccine rates than we do. Stuff like this & what Rojo is up to isn't helpful & needs to stop. It's downright dangerous. It's ludicrous to make this about being told what to do. Some people need to be told what to do for the common good. Making excuses for bad behavior doesn't help.

I 100% agree in a general sense - I'd love it everyone shoudl be vaccinated. Let's shame people - namely the heads of Big Pharma the the politicians - that think the likes of Cole Hocker should be vaccinated before Haile Gebrselassie's poor mother in Ethiopia.

It's dangerous that the US is being so selfish.

People like yourself are so sure of the science. But you're not following it. Instead, you're directing ire at one of America's most promising runners. Follow the science. Demand that we vaccinate the world's elderly.

But as for someone who just got over Covid, I dont' think Hocker should be forced to get it in the midst of his track season. As I've said before, maybe the science says it's worth the risk for him.. But we honestly don't know and you don't want to jeopardize his future career.

There are pros and cons to the vaccine. Statistically low risk of COVID morbidities and vaccine morbidities. Pfizer Vaccine is 83% effective against delta. So is it worse the risk, personal choice for now. FDA approval will soon allow mandates. I’m a big 1984 fan, but this is all based on odds which we cannot determine yet. In my hospital and in every hospital there are outliers. That means outliers are not rare but do occur. Age >50 get the vaccine. Multiple health problems get the vaccine. Age less than 50 play the odds, but the variants are infecting younger patients. Most do fine. Except when they don’t. Any scientist or physician who claims to understand the nuances of Covid is not reliable. It is a dynamic virus with dynamic therapy.

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

This is exactly why, on the cusp of the most important athletic even of his life so far (and who knows, maybe ever?) for him to have taken the vaccine with ZERO real idea of what it could do to him (as in reality we all have done - except we aren't Olympic level athletes), would have been about the most idiotic and careless thing he could have done.

And that is the end of this and really there is no more discussion.

We have a winner. We have people asking if I've read table 2 on page 34 of some obscure scentific paper. No I haven't.

There is debate about this stuff. If I'm him and I just got over covid, there is no way I'm risking a vaccine in the middle of the season. It's just like why I never gave blood when I was running competitively but do so all the time now.

I literally sent a passionate text to a friend who isn't vaxxed last night. I told him - please get vaxxed for your family's sake.

I think in general playing up the risk of vaccines is bad. But I also think we have to respect people's choices, particularly on borderline cases like Hocker. It would be much, much better, if we just vaxxed the world's elderly first. We'd hardly have any deaths and people would view Covid as little different than the flu. Instead, people are freaking out over case numbers yet again.

StoPre wrote:

Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:

This is exactly why, on the cusp of the most important athletic even of his life so far (and who knows, maybe ever?) for him to have taken the vaccine with ZERO real idea of what it could do to him (as in reality we all have done - except we aren't Olympic level athletes), would have been about the most idiotic and careless thing he could have done.

And that is the end of this and really there is no more discussion.

Your point is very different than Rojo’s.

Rojo made up some nonsense about poor, elderly brown people overseas getting the vaccine before Cole.

Not true. I made both points. Point one was if you all of you scientific experts who are demanding that we follow the science, we're really doing that, then Cole Hockder wouldn't even be eligible for the vaccine right now.

Point #2 was his individual circumstancces indicate there is no good time for him to do it. Yes, I didn't go into the science of it all as I wanted to keep it short. But i talked about it on the forum.

rojo wrote:

StoPre wrote:

Your point is very different than Rojo’s.

Rojo made up some nonsense about poor, elderly brown people overseas getting the vaccine before Cole.

Not true. I made both points. Point one was if you all of you scientific experts who are demanding that we follow the science, we're really doing that, then Cole Hockder wouldn't even be eligible for the vaccine right now.

Point #2 was his individual circumstancces indicate there is no good time for him to do it. Yes, I didn't go into the science of it all as I wanted to keep it short. But i talked about it on the forum.

False, Robert Johnson of Letsrun.com

And now you are trying to gaslight us

Robert Johnson:

(1) This whole notion of Americans stealing vaccines from old people on other countries is FALSE based in no fact whatsoever

(2) No, YOU are not following science

(3) HOCKER WAS NEVER TESTED FOR COVID. He was just sick and thought he had it

rojo wrote:

I literally sent a passionate text to a friend who isn't vaxxed last night. I told him - please get vaxxed for your family's sake.

I think in general playing up the risk of vaccines is bad. But I also think we have to respect people's choices, particularly on borderline cases like Hocker. It would be much, much better, if we just vaxxed the world's elderly first. We'd hardly have any deaths and people would view Covid as little different than the flu. Instead, people are freaking out over case numbers yet again.

(1) But according to your logic, your friend getting. Vaccinated would be selfish and stealing vaxxea from other countries, right?

(2) This strategy of vaccinating only the elderly first is FALSE and not based in science

(3) You are an internet troll and a child

Message to Wejo and Rojo,

This is not a negative attack post but there is an important issue that readers need to be aware of and that Wejo and Rojo need to address. They both made respective reasoned posts but in doing so lost the moral high ground of being impartial truth seekers. One of the basic practices of politicians who are biased for a certain viewpoint is to frame issues and questions in a way as to support their view. Wejo and Rojo have claimed they are in support of vaccinations but they frame issues with a clear anti-vaccination bias.

Now the most important issue in our country is clearly that only 56% of our population is completely vaccinated which makes us very vulnerable to a resurgence of covid and its variants. Now one reason for this is the plethora of false information encouraging people not to get vaccinated. It is at a crisis point.

So do Wejo or Rojo chose to address this critically important issue. No, Wejo starts of thread about challenging our science indicating that children should be vaccinated. This is exactly what the vaccination deniers what to address to show our science is wrong and they are right not to get vaccinated. Rojo starts threads why is was good for an Olympic athlete not to get vaccinated and about some low risk complications from the vaccination. Yes, the deniers relish focusing on this as a justification for not getting vaccinated.

But do Wejo and Rojo frame the main issue facing our country, that all the evidence indicates how critically important getting vaccinated is to the individual and the country. No, but they they choose to focus on the more questionable aspects and completely ignore the elephant in the room that huge numbers of people are not getting vaccinated.

And to make it worse this site deleted threads with subject lines addressing this issue. Unwittingly, through how they focus threads, they end up not helping our country to become more vaccinated. Their threads become a source for disinformation.

quote post. wrote:

rojo wrote:

I literally sent a passionate text to a friend who isn't vaxxed last night. I told him - please get vaxxed for your family's sake.

I think in general playing up the risk of vaccines is bad. But I also think we have to respect people's choices, particularly on borderline cases like Hocker. It would be much, much better, if we just vaxxed the world's elderly first. We'd hardly have any deaths and people would view Covid as little different than the flu. Instead, people are freaking out over case numbers yet again.

(1) But according to your logic, your friend getting. Vaccinated would be selfish and stealing vaxxea from other countries, right?

(2) This strategy of vaccinating only the elderly first is FALSE and not based in science

(3) You are an internet troll and a child

If Rojo had an ounce of integrity he'd admit he was wrong, but he won't

Harambe wrote:

Yawn^9 wrote:

“Fantasy of independence?!” Shoot. I forgot that the Constitution and the fallen soldiers represent a fantasy. Silly me.

Fee free to move to China. They will help you get rid of that fantasy real quick.

Wait until you hear that George Washington MANDATED immunization for his soldiers.

There are your heroes. Disgusting. Lol

Haha, small pox vs Covid. Yeah, pretty clear which one is worse.

Next time please don’t cherry pick your information either. Washington required new recruits to be inoculated, not current soldiers because he didn’t want them out of commission from the inoculation.

Overall nice try, but you picked a fight with a history major who specialized in colonial American history.