wolfcat wrote:
DC Wonk wrote:
The only way anyone else is going to heat him at this point is to run super high pace from the gun. No way he loses that final 200m. I’ve been a Jakob skeptic but that was boss.
Timothy Cheruiyot say hi!
I was referring to the 5k, not 1500. Unless Cheruiyot has bad races or refuses to lead, he is clearly the 1500 favorite. That said, I still think the Olympic final will not be sub 3:30.
Except that it isnt.New zealand is far better than norway in sport.Dont kid yourself.and dont kid yourself into thinking norway is influential,and that other countries copy it.it isnt,and they dont.Norway excells at winter sports,and not much else.Also the fact that you think norwegian athletes dont dope because of their society is utter rubbish.The fact that they got 4 bronze medals at the 2016 olympics might give them a fresh reason to take drugs.Now do i believe the ingebritsens are dopers? absolutely. Do i care? no. Because everybody at their level takes drugs.Its not cheating if everybody else is doing it.
Nope never read the book.Sorry.Never even heard of it,actually.You say there are no clean kenyans and yet you believe a clean european is beating them? thats just funny....
jeff tallon wrote:
Except that it isnt.New zealand is far better than norway in sport.Dont kid yourself.and dont kid yourself into thinking norway is influential,and that other countries copy it.it isnt,and they dont.Norway excells at winter sports,and not much else.Also the fact that you think norwegian athletes dont dope because of their society is utter rubbish.The fact that they got 4 bronze medals at the 2016 olympics might give them a fresh reason to take drugs.Now do i believe the ingebritsens are dopers? absolutely. Do i care? no. Because everybody at their level takes drugs.Its not cheating if everybody else is doing it.
+1. You are right that’s New Zealand and Australia for that matter I think are better in sport overall compared with Norway which is very good in sport but biased towards winter sports with which few countries have either the finances or the geography to participate in. What do Norwegians produce in sports? Alpine skiers a few, cross country skiers - a plethora, and few other outstanding sportsman in few fields.
Norway also has an excellent women’s soccer team I believe top three or top five in the world. They also have a very good Norwegian female handball team.
However,, Australia New Zealand produce outstanding sportsman in many events, and especially Australia. You have to look at it on a per capita basis and of course Australia has more population but on a per capita basis they produce a lot of top-quality sports people not only in swimming, but also in rugby, cricket, athletics, and even sports such as cycling and basketball (a handful in NBA).
I remember when Bob Kennddy dropped below 13 min, setting the American record in 12:58 in 1996. So many people accused him of doping, and who really knows. Now 25 years on, if you slap a second a lap on Jakob's run to account for the state of the art spikes, youre5 basically at 13 min and at the 5,000 meter clip time for doping allegations 25 years ago. Have a hard time believing all the top guys around 12:48 and under today aren't using the sauce.
The biggest lesson from this tremendous race is that field athletes should be shot if they do any time wasting during their garbage attempts at their garbage event. The 5k was interrupted twice by field jumps, loosing like 2k of coverage
Ghost1 wrote:
jeff tallon wrote:
Except that it isnt.New zealand is far better than norway in sport.Dont kid yourself.and dont kid yourself into thinking norway is influential,and that other countries copy it.it isnt,and they dont.Norway excells at winter sports,and not much else.Also the fact that you think norwegian athletes dont dope because of their society is utter rubbish.The fact that they got 4 bronze medals at the 2016 olympics might give them a fresh reason to take drugs.Now do i believe the ingebritsens are dopers? absolutely. Do i care? no. Because everybody at their level takes drugs.Its not cheating if everybody else is doing it.
+1. You are right that’s New Zealand and Australia for that matter I think are better in sport overall compared with Norway which is very good in sport but biased towards winter sports with which few countries have either the finances or the geography to participate in. What do Norwegians produce in sports? Alpine skiers a few, cross country skiers - a plethora, and few other outstanding sportsman in few fields.
Norway also has an excellent women’s soccer team I believe top three or top five in the world. They also have a very good Norwegian female handball team.
However,, Australia New Zealand produce outstanding sportsman in many events, and especially Australia. You have to look at it on a per capita basis and of course Australia has more population but on a per capita basis they produce a lot of top-quality sports people not only in swimming, but also in rugby, cricket, athletics, and even sports such as cycling and basketball (a handful in NBA).
Yah, New Zealand not as much but Australia has sportsmen in many top of events--thanks to climate & geography that Norway doesn't have...
Although I have to say, New Zealand or Australia never had anyone as dominant as Magnus Carlsen. Yes, he is a world superstar in chess.
and don't forget Norway has Viktor Hovland who is ranked #13 in the world on the PGA tour.
NZ & Australia have no one in the top 25.
Ghost1 wrote:
jeff tallon wrote:
Except that it isnt.New zealand is far better than norway in sport.Dont kid yourself.and dont kid yourself into thinking norway is influential,and that other countries copy it.it isnt,and they dont.Norway excells at winter sports,and not much else.Also the fact that you think norwegian athletes dont dope because of their society is utter rubbish.The fact that they got 4 bronze medals at the 2016 olympics might give them a fresh reason to take drugs.Now do i believe the ingebritsens are dopers? absolutely. Do i care? no. Because everybody at their level takes drugs.Its not cheating if everybody else is doing it.
+1. You are right that’s New Zealand and Australia for that matter I think are better in sport overall compared with Norway which is very good in sport but biased towards winter sports with which few countries have either the finances or the geography to participate in. What do Norwegians produce in sports? Alpine skiers a few, cross country skiers - a plethora, and few other outstanding sportsman in few fields.
Norway also has an excellent women’s soccer team I believe top three or top five in the world. They also have a very good Norwegian female handball team.
However,, Australia New Zealand produce outstanding sportsman in many events, and especially Australia. You have to look at it on a per capita basis and of course Australia has more population but on a per capita basis they produce a lot of top-quality sports people not only in swimming, but also in rugby, cricket, athletics, and even sports such as cycling and basketball (a handful in NBA).
Norway are miles better then both Australia and New Zealand per capita. We have Casper Ruud (ranked nr 16 in Tennis), Warholm (ranked as nr 2 among the athletes), Jakob Ingebrigtsen (ranked as nr 20 among the athletes), Hovland (ranked as the 13th best in Golf) and Magnus Carlsen (chess-legend). Thats pretty huge for a country in the far north with a population less then 6 mill. Norway also have Haaland, but that hardly counts as it is a team-sport. In winter sports norway are in a different league compared to the rest of the world. Winning 39 medals in the last olympic. 8 more then the second best, Germany.
jeff tallon wrote:
.You say there are no clean kenyans and yet you believe a clean european is beating them? thats just funny....
Yes. Indeed it is [ or pathetic, take your pick]. As I've stated before, for the posters on here [ and there are many] who regularly state that all fast Africans are drug cheats, and that running the incredible times that they do is impossible without PED's, having white runners like Jakob run so fast and beat alllll those supposedly doped Africans should present them with quite the dilemma- are they going to say their hero Jakob is a cheater too ? [Logical conclusion from their other viewpoints] Or are they going to apologise and say: ok, maybe many of those fast Africans were clean after all, my bad. ? [ also logical] or.... are they going to look like racist, inconsistent idiots and claim: i still believe that all the fastest africans past and present are/were dopers, but young white Jakob who kicks their asses..... is clean. Because.....M A G A!
Aaleby wrote:
Ghost1 wrote:
+1. You are right that’s New Zealand and Australia for that matter I think are better in sport overall compared with Norway which is very good in sport but biased towards winter sports with which few countries have either the finances or the geography to participate in. What do Norwegians produce in sports? Alpine skiers a few, cross country skiers - a plethora, and few other outstanding sportsman in few fields.
Norway also has an excellent women’s soccer team I believe top three or top five in the world. They also have a very good Norwegian female handball team.
However,, Australia New Zealand produce outstanding sportsman in many events, and especially Australia. You have to look at it on a per capita basis and of course Australia has more population but on a per capita basis they produce a lot of top-quality sports people not only in swimming, but also in rugby, cricket, athletics, and even sports such as cycling and basketball (a handful in NBA).
Norway are miles better then both Australia and New Zealand per capita. We have Casper Ruud (ranked nr 16 in Tennis), Warholm (ranked as nr 2 among the athletes), Jakob Ingebrigtsen (ranked as nr 20 among the athletes), Hovland (ranked as the 13th best in Golf) and Magnus Carlsen (chess-legend). Thats pretty huge for a country in the far north with a population less then 6 mill. Norway also have Haaland, but that hardly counts as it is a team-sport. In winter sports norway are in a different league compared to the rest of the world. Winning 39 medals in the last olympic. 8 more then the second best, Germany.
Don't talk about Winter Sports and "rest of the world":
1. Most of the world doesn't have the right conditions for Winter sports.
2. Many Winter sports are elitist and you need a lot of money to have good conditions to practice.
3. Some of the countries that care about some Winter sports don't care about those in which Norway succeeds. See the US and Canada.
Yup, testing is identical in Oslo as it is in Addis Ababa.
reheh wrote:
Aaleby wrote:
Norway are miles better then both Australia and New Zealand per capita. We have Casper Ruud (ranked nr 16 in Tennis), Warholm (ranked as nr 2 among the athletes), Jakob Ingebrigtsen (ranked as nr 20 among the athletes), Hovland (ranked as the 13th best in Golf) and Magnus Carlsen (chess-legend). Thats pretty huge for a country in the far north with a population less then 6 mill. Norway also have Haaland, but that hardly counts as it is a team-sport. In winter sports norway are in a different league compared to the rest of the world. Winning 39 medals in the last olympic. 8 more then the second best, Germany.
Don't talk about Winter Sports and "rest of the world":
1. Most of the world doesn't have the right conditions for Winter sports.
2. Many Winter sports are elitist and you need a lot of money to have good conditions to practice.
3. Some of the countries that care about some Winter sports don't care about those in which Norway succeeds. See the US and Canada.
Most of the world does have great conditions for winter sports. What are you talking about? Much of winter sports are indoors so theres no excuse there, but most of the world has access to skiing. USA, Canada, EU, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, India, Argentina, Chile, etc. 4 billion people.
Its not me whom says that New Zealand and Australia both are better per capita when the truth tells a completly different story. Norway tops the ranking miles ahead of number two (Switzerland) and a few galaxies ahead of Australia and New Zealand. Sweden have the same climate, but doesnt even come close. Germany also have a great climate for both summer and winter sports, but still get crushed both in the total and per capita.
GaiusVelleius wrote:
Lets Run needs a separate section, where doping is discussed. Cycling-news forum has this and it makes the experience so much better. If you want to talk doping, then go there, but if you just want to enjoy talking about the great running, then you don´t have to deal with those annoying comments
Can’t have great running without doping. He’s clearly dirty, why can’t we discuss it?
Nor-way wrote:
Are you this stupid or are you just pretending?
You come with these unfounded doping suspissions EVERY time, and with clearly no knowledge about norwegian doping authorities, norwegian mentality towards doping, or the professionalism of norwegian sports.
Compared to our under 6 million people, Norway is by far the best sports nation in the world.
Lazy people like you will say "Duh, that because they are all doped".
More intelligent people will research what Norway does and copy them. Many nations do.
And the thing that the "best sports nation" in the world does is that it has clean athletes who beat the world's best dopers. I expect they can walk on water, too.
Senor Chang wrote:
GaiusVelleius wrote:
Lets Run needs a separate section, where doping is discussed. Cycling-news forum has this and it makes the experience so much better. If you want to talk doping, then go there, but if you just want to enjoy talking about the great running, then you don´t have to deal with those annoying comments
Can’t have great running without doping. He’s clearly dirty, why can’t we discuss it?
Because it aint possible to discuss as long as the accusations lacks any kind of individual pointed arguments beside "every top athlete is a doper by default". Thats just pushing the repeat-button in an endless loop with a total lack of fresh angles.
Pikachoo wrote:
reheh wrote:
Don't talk about Winter Sports and "rest of the world":
1. Most of the world doesn't have the right conditions for Winter sports.
2. Many Winter sports are elitist and you need a lot of money to have good conditions to practice.
3. Some of the countries that care about some Winter sports don't care about those in which Norway succeeds. See the US and Canada.
Most of the world does have great conditions for winter sports. What are you talking about? Much of winter sports are indoors so theres no excuse there, but most of the world has access to skiing. USA, Canada, EU, Russia, China, Korea, Japan, India, Argentina, Chile, etc. 4 billion people.
Your ignorance of what goes on in the world is astounding.