Confirmed: Joshua Cheptegei WILL go for Komen's legendary 7:20.67 on Wednesday!!

Sorry. Quick question: is this WR attempt actually happening? If so, there's a date?

May 19th, Ostrava

"according to multiple sources very close to Joshua, rumors of a world record run are floating around as a real possibilty ..."

Armstronglivs wrote:

5679 wrote:

I wonder if he reflects for a moment before he commits words to print. Unbelievable.

I do. I realise there are those like you who have the comprehension level of an axolotl. Unbelievable.

Axolotls are cute. Even though you used the word to show off, as you do.

Sledge_Hammer wrote:

Armstronglivs, you're owned here. Just admit your defeat and move on, no shame in that.

Totally owned. Each posts just reinforces his ignorance.

There is 100% no possible way this is a world record attempt. That would require significant training block alterations, planning, and is always associated with months of lead up. Remember how long we talked about the 5000 and 10000 before it happened...

5679 wrote:

Sledge_Hammer wrote:

Armstronglivs, you're owned here. Just admit your defeat and move on, no shame in that.

Totally owned. Each posts just reinforces his ignorance.

Whenever I read comments like that I know the pitchforks and lanterns brigade has arrived.

5679 wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

I do. I realise there are those like you who have the comprehension level of an axolotl. Unbelievable.

Axolotls are cute. Even though you used the word to show off, as you do.

Axolotls are not known for their intelligence. Of course you would find them cute.

Sledge_Hammer wrote:

Armstronglivs, you're owned here. Just admit your defeat and move on, no shame in that.

So Cheptegei has already broken the world mark for the 3k? I didn't think so. Cretin.

rekrunner wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

"You prove once again that you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot lead a donkey to water". (quote)

Oh dear - such a mangling of the metaphor. You left out the crucial part, that "you can't make it drink" (horse or donkey or whatever). It otherwise means nothing. Another English fail. You commit so many.

But you know much about being an ass.

That went way over your head -- not surprised.

Yes -- it is reasonable in ImaginaryLand to think that the donkey drinks the water that you cannot lead him to.

Still braying like an ass. You would know about ImaginaryLand. But nothing else that pertains to reality.

If you know about "modern training", does that suggest everybody trains the same - because if they don't then they aren't training in a "modern" way? Then can you explain what is Cheptegei's training programme. I assume you know because it explains everything to your satisfaction about his 1500 time. And then explain how you know, when you aren't part of his coaching team.

So he won't get the record after all? Just top 5 or top 10? I thought so.

So if it is just "endurance" that is required to beat the record, and speed is irrelevant, how is it that no great endurance runner has got near it in 25 years?

You show you have no understanding of the reality of running, that with each distance from the sprints up there is a progressive slowing, and that a given level of performance requires speed as well as endurance. As a 2 minute half miler cannot run a 4 minute mile, a runner who cannot run substantially faster than 3.40 for the 1500 will not run 7.20 for the 3k. An athlete must slow as the distance of the event increases - the splits cannot be anywhere near his best over the distance they measure. As the 5k world record holder Komen showed that sub-3.30 speed over 1500 was necessary to run 7.20 - and he had phenomenal endurance. No one slower than him has got near his record. They would have no chance. That is also Cheptegei.

ya..... wrote:

There is 100% no possible way this is a world record attempt. That would require significant training block alterations, planning, and is always associated with months of lead up. Remember how long we talked about the 5000 and 10000 before it happened...

You didn't mention his doping programme.

This is one of the funniest and most entertaining threads I have ever seen on this site. The sheer ire and scorn reeking from some of these posts makes me wish that the main belligerents could meet in a room and film their in-person argument, it would be priceless.

Armstronglivs wrote:

If you know about "modern training", does that suggest everybody trains the same - because if they don't then they aren't training in a "modern" way? Then can you explain what is Cheptegei's training programme. I assume you know because it explains everything to your satisfaction about his 1500 time. And then explain how you know, when you aren't part of his coaching team.

What I have already explained is that modern training would prescribe and predict a 1500m, this early in the season, as fast as 3:35, and not faster. Take into account 1-2 seconds for altitude, and the reality matches the prediction pretty much spot on.

As further confirmation, modern training suggests a 7:20-7:23-ish attempt at 3000m, about 1 month later, as a logical progression towards extending the established intensity, on the way to 5000m.

Whatever everybody else is doing, and whatever else Cheptegei is doing, modern training offers a highly superior explanation for a 3:37 1500m at altitude in April, and a world record attempt at 3000m in May, in preparation for a 5000m/10000m Olympics this summer.

No one faster than Komen got near his record either.

I wouldn't dismiss a WR completely -- his 5000m WR predicts 7:12-7:16, and his 10000m WR predicts 7:11-7:14.

It will largely depend on pacing, drafting, and how fit he is now, in mid-May.

7:23-7:25 is just a conservative prediction that would still be a huge success towards the goal of the Olympics.

I didn't say speed was irrelevant. I said you don't need 3:29 speed, as you claim is necesary. You need 3:40 endurance. With stronger endurance, like Cheptegei's, you would need less speed.

I have already explained why great runners didn't get near it. The greatest ones didn't really try, because 3000m is not an interesting distance to train for. It is not an Olympic event, nor a World Championship event, nor really a Diamond League event. However, it was run in some of the early years of the Golden League, and in some Diamond League races.

Your model of progressive slowing for longer distances only makes sense when we have maximum efforts to compare. In a modern training context, we do not always have maximum efforts, but constrain our SPECIFIC paces to 95%-105% of target race pace of the desired event.

If Cheptegei is healthy and well-paced, I'd expect something in the 7:25-7:28 range. Post-Olympics is when I'd be interested to see if he can fully sharp take a real crack at it.

Armstronglivs wrote:

5679 wrote:

Totally owned. Each posts just reinforces his ignorance.

Whenever I read comments like that I know the pitchforks and lanterns brigade has arrived.

Says the person holding a pitchfork and a lantern to every African runner.

Armstronglivs wrote:

5679 wrote:

Axolotls are cute. Even though you used the word to show off, as you do.

Axolotls are not known for their intelligence. Of course you would find them cute.

You think cheap insults are a sign of intelligence? You think aesthetic perception depends on intelligence? Are you saying that people with learning disabilities can only appreciate animals not known for their intelligence?

What a bigot you are.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Sledge_Hammer wrote:

Armstronglivs, you're owned here. Just admit your defeat and move on, no shame in that.

So Cheptegei has already broken the world mark for the 3k? I didn't think so. Cretin.

Cheptegei could run 10 minutes for the 3000m and you would have still been completely owned here.