Jenna Hutchins Runs 15:34 at Five and Dime To Break Katelyn Tuohy's 5000 US HS National Record

rojo wrote:

rojo wrote:

[quote]Hutchins > Tuohy wrote:

That is a strange decision. A 16/17 year old who wants to peak next June should be doing some easy jogging right now.

You raise a very interesting point. I'd say 100% true if he was on a normal schedule.

Saw that he ran 4:05.70. Did we ever figure out why Harrison is running a mile on December 12th?

Probably because he thinks itself his best event. That's the easiest answer. It would be like Brazier running an 800. When I was that age 10k was my main, and best, event. I would certainly run one in December and did.

What do you figure he 'should' be doing. One guy suggests easy jogging. Is that the ideal? Doesn't seem Centro is 'easy jogging' this time of year, at least not up until two weeks ago.

Yes easy running. What were Ryun, Fisher, or Hunter doing in December of junior year? They weren't travelling to an outdoor mile.

Hutchins > Tuohy wrote:

Yes easy running. What were Ryun, Fisher, or Hunter doing in December of junior year? They weren't travelling to an outdoor mile.

What outdoor mile was available to Ryun?

I think Ryun's career is a good to mention concerning Harrison's race and training, because Ryun was slighter more prolific in the 800m than the mile. If Ryun chose the 800m for Mexico City, he wins gold. I've been to Mexico City, and felt short of breath most of the time. I don't know how long it takes the body to truly adapt to such a high altitude, but Keino seems to have the advantage even if Jipcho didn't pace set.

Therefore, I believe Harrison should focus on running fast 800s and fast 400s (open and relay), because it was clear from the first 200m that he wasn't going to break 4 min in that race. However, 4:05.7 for a HS mile is very impressive and confirms that he is in excellent race shape at this point in the season.

Easy running? I hear that so much on LRC, but I rarely heard about easy running from anyone I trained with or any coach I had. I did train with guys who repeatedly broke 4 min and broke 3:41.8. I don't remember an easy run ever being mentioned, except that we thought 10 miles under 60 minutes was easy enough.

Former D1 middle-distance runners have posted that 6:30 pace is slow. So possibly during warm-downs? I warmed up for 3 miles at under 6 minute pace with a teammate for a 2-mile race as a HS sophomore, then ran my PB.

Jenna is obviously extremely talented. I just don't see the long-term potential. Her stride is just too choppy. Add in the typical physical changes in women, and she'll likely go the way of Mary Cain.

track eyes wrote:

Jenna is obviously extremely talented. I just don't see the long-term potential. Her stride is just too choppy. Add in the typical physical changes in women, and she'll likely go the way of Mary Cain.

It is a very odd stride, almost like a shuffle stride. Whereas all the top 5000 and 10000m runners have a lengther, fuller stride. It is possible that this stride is not as tiring and this allows her to maintain a good pace. However the likely problem is that it does not have enough upside potential to generate the type of speed needed to be competitive as runners develop in college and the pros. You can only shuffle so fast. But who knows?

Reminds me of Molly Seidel.

Seidel's stride was lengther and she is getting good extension. Hutchin's stride seems clipped. Someone compared it to another high school runner from a few seasons past, but the name escapes me.

astro wrote:

Seidel's stride was lengther and she is getting good extension. Hutchin's stride seems clipped. Someone compared it to another high school runner from a few seasons past, but the name escapes me.

Claudia Lane also had a very choppy stride.

astro wrote:

Seidel's stride was lengther and she is getting good extension. Hutchin's stride seems clipped. Someone compared it to another high school runner from a few seasons past, but the name escapes me.

Brie Oakley

I think thats it.

Let's face it 95% of girls go through major physiological changes, that lead to slower times and a greater chance of injury

New York Times did a big story of it, couple years ago

Just look at pictures of all the top young female Runners and then look at pictures of them by the time they're 18 or 19. And it's pretty clear why the change

Best advice would be to listen to your body, ease up on the training, and realize that you can again make progress once you adapt to the changes

Obviously it affects some girls more than others and there's all sorts of variables but not sure if any girl has ever been able to steadily increase the same way boys do. From high school, to college, to professionals

Where do you think the professional runners come from if they didn't improve through high school and college?

Name several Elite high school girl distance Runner who shows similar Improvement to the majority of boy distance runners, from high school, to college, to the professional ranks

It's a pretty simple point that almost every girl Runner goes through a period where they slow down

And this realistically almost never happens for a boy outside of injury

In other words boys don't go through physiological changes that make them slower

It's kind of weird to me that you wouldn't understand this simple Point

And with this said, actually the majority of professional women's Runners, for distance Runners, were not, the very best runners in high school

Sorry I don't know how to spell this out for you any clearer. But girls go through development changes which make them less efficient, less fast, and more prone to injury, as runners, especially distance runners. I guess you should study up on the different ways that men and women develop through puberty and the accompanying physiological changes, and how those changes affect a person's ability to be a distance runner at an elite level

MidFootStriker wrote:

Let's face it 95% of girls go through major physiological changes, that lead to slower times and a greater chance of injury

New York Times did a big story of it, couple years ago

Just look at pictures of all the top young female Runners and then look at pictures of them by the time they're 18 or 19. And it's pretty clear why the change

Best advice would be to listen to your body, ease up on the training, and realize that you can again make progress once you adapt to the changes

Obviously it affects some girls more than others and there's all sorts of variables but not sure if any girl has ever been able to steadily increase the same way boys do. From high school, to college, to professionals

Improvement is not always linear for boys either. Injuries, burnout etc. Men also grow and gain weight, many losing their runner's build. 18-22 are significant growing years for men. Women are usually fully grown at 17/18.

Schweizer, Houlihan, Simpson, Coburn, Praught-Leer. Pretty much 95% of the current elite runners made steady improvement without ever getting slower like you suggest. I suggest that you review the stats before making false claims.

But the point is none of them were the top high school runners. Now to be fair this is not always true. We have recently had high school champions go on to win the NCAAs. And there have been teenaged phenoms that went on to international success (eg, Decker, Budd). It is just not certain.

Simpson was 3rd at Footlocker. Houlihan ran 55/2:07/4:43. How about Seidel? Footlocker champ. Then NCAA champ. Then Olympic marathon qualifier. Kelati also won both but is not American. So, yes, many women were elite all the way through and nearly every elite American distance runner made steady improvement which is what the other poster said does not happen for girls.

America’s Next Great Running Hope, and One of the Cruelest Twists in Youth Sports

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/08/sports/katelyn-tuohy.html

Guys it's not rocket science! Girls develop breasts, bigger hips, their body regains fat due to hormonal changes,

All as a natural process to get ready for child rearing ability

Again women go through puberty and develop characteristics that make them less likely to be fast distance Runners and more prone to injury

I made it very clear in my original post that it wasn't every girl, yes there are exceptions, and I also was clear that once they adapt to the changes they can start getting faster again

And that's where the pro Runners come they come from the girls who get faster in college after they've gone through puberty

Yes girls can improve throughout high school and through our College but 95% of the time it's not a steady line

Boys develop changes that continuously make them faster as they mature,

There's tons of girls who PR as a freshman in high school or a sophomore and then get noticeably slower Junior and Senior year

This is very rare for a boy except for injury or illness it doesn't happen because they develop breasts and hips

How many boys do you know that gets slower in high school because they become womanly with large breasts and big hips

Finally just look at girls who run their fastest times as an 8th grader or 9th grader

How many boys do you see in the nxn field as a 7th grader or an 8th grader. Sorry if you can't understand the basic facts of puberty and male and female development there's something wrong

Again I'm not saying it's every girl and boy but I'm saying the vast majority have to deal with it to some degree