We THe People wrote:
You still amaze me!!!!!
You actually believe that Russia helped send out emails to people that it affected their brains so much that they switched from Hillary to Donald...you actually believe that? . . .
You do realize that your "argument" basically boils down to a belief that campaign spending on ads, email campaigns, etc. have zero impact on the final vote, right?
You do realize that, right?
You also realize how stupid that is, right?
Flagpole wrote:
Yeah, that comment from that dude is batsh!t crazy. Trump is the most amoral President we have ever had.
Conundrum wrote:
Trump a win for decency?
And just Google wikileaks and Russian intelligence. Tell us what you find out about the relationship between the two.
Trump a win for decency......that comment still amazes me.
Trump the most amoral? Bill Clinton is a serial rapist and sexual molester and possibly a pedophile. And you call Trump amoral?
A psychotic "we the people" rant minus the vulgarity? What gives?
The Trumpster Trumps wrote:
Trump the most amoral? Bill Clinton is....
Leave your autoerotism on Brietbard. Please get some new material. This is no fun.
Flagpole wrote:
We THe People wrote:
You still amaze me!!!!!
You actually believe that Russia helped send out emails to people that it affected their brains so much that they switched from Hillary to Donald...you actually believe that? If that's true, then it just shows how dumb Hillary voters are, doesn't it? How can you answer to that? Simple, you can't.
If Russia helped with emails, SO WHAT!!!!
I never received an email and I am not tied to any party thru social media.
Think of how many emails, tv commercials, interviews, etc...that were done by both sides. Now you tell me that Russia put out emails---stay with me now---that someone read and it changed their mind on who to vote for, is that right?
Flagpole, the biggest Democratic Liar that I've ever heard of on this entire thread>>>>would lead you to believe that people did in fact get emails that changed their voting minds (the simple minded like him).
Really now??? Please, post one of these emails as of course since we all got them, right?
I never received one email. I work for the Big 3 with 100's of other employees, not one person received an email.
So then, since our intelligence agencies said this, where are the emails that were stolen and published to help Trump win.
I'll give you till Saturday, how's that? You guys have gone on and on how Russian intervened, then show us the emails that were so persuasive to persuade voters to the right.
Flagpole brings it up constantly, but provides nothing. Surely he received one as they knew he was a far left guy and needed persuading, right?
I'm sure that they were much more persuading emails than Hillary Clinton's emails and commercials against Trump---those were surely honest as can be:):):)
Honestly, bring it Conundrum, LL, and Flagpole. You guys won't have an honest answer because there is none. It's hogwash.
Dude. Man oh man, you really don't know enough to be commenting on this. I really am not in the mood to have to constantly educate you Trumpers, but I will give you a try.
1) First of all, Russia isn't being charged with sending "e-mails". They were involved in an influence campaign that centered around the use of Social Media. An effective campaign such as that doesn't necessarily have to make someone switch from voting for Hillary to Trump, but it can help keep some voters at home while emboldening other voters. In the early parts of the campaign, I saw so many fake things posted on social media that were almost all in favor of Trump and against Hillary. Initially I pointed out these fake posts (all easily verifiable) to those who posted, but there were just too many...I had to give up. And OF COURSE advertising works...that's why companies, politicians, etc. do it, and spend an uncountable amount of money on it. Many of these lies about Hillary and Obama and Black Lives Matter and guns control and Muslims and then positive lies about Trump got great traction. Here in Central Ohio, the biggest AM radio station announced that President Obama had arranged to have his kids' grandmother receive $160,000 a year for life from taxpayer money. They talked about it, said that was typical of Obama, and callers called in and said crap about Democrats and how they were going to vote for Trump as a protest. I contacted the radio station and let them know that they had been duped by Russian fake news, something that had already been debunked. The host of the show then sent me an e-mail telling me he had integrity and that this came from a reliable source and that he didn't have time to check all the sources (um...then you can report it as fact; which I told him). This was just one topic on one radio station. The amount of social media fake news posts and memes were absolutely insane, at least here in Ohio, one of the target states because we are a swing state. Also, IF Russia had done an e-mail campaign, you likely wouldn't have gotten one at your Big 3 job because IT would have weeded out spam e-mail. I'm not sure overall general knowledge is your thing.
2) So, you believe you know more than our intelligence agencies? They declared without question that Russia, from direction of Putin himself, interfered in our election with a clear preference to have Trump elected and Hillary defeated. This is not made up. This is not partisan info. They haven't wavered or wondered if it were true...they have all said it for sure happened and that Putin was behind it all without question.
3) I would like to know what I have lied about. I've never said anything about e-mails, so you will have to mention something else.
4) The social media campaign was extremely strategic, so if you don't live in Ohio, FL, PA, MI, or WI, you likely didn't see much of it.
Now, getting past your ignorance on this issue, ask yourself why there are at least 20 people attached to the Trump campaign or administration that have significant ties to Russia (not France, not Canada, not Indonesia)? Why have some already been either charged or admitted to lying about Russia or charged with financial crimes associated with Russia? Why is Trump attacking Mueller and the FBI? If you were innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't you be saying every day, "When this is over and I am found innocent, I will give the biggest 'I told you so' ever"? Trump doesn't do that. He attacks the investigators (ones that are Republican, appointed by Republicans and that Republicans and Democrats really endorsed early on until Mueller showed he is getting things done and getting closer to the White House and Trump). This is what Nixon did. He attacks the press except (like Nixon also did) for Fox News (and not even all of Fox News is on his side). Why do that? Because he is guilty and he is trying to seed doubt; doubt of the legitimacy of the press and the FBI and Mueller. It is all BS. Why did Trump say that if Mueller investigated his finances that that would be a "red line"? If he has nothing to hide, then he should be fine with it...it IS part of the investigative process in this case. Follow the money to see why someone might be inclined to accept help from a foreign enemy nation and then collude with them to defeat an opponent.
Is Hillary great? Nope. That's what allowed some of this to work. She was a very flawed candidate, though not nearly as bad as Donald Trump.
I assume you voted for Trump. How do you reconcile the lies he has told you?
Where are the taxes he said he would show you?
Why does he no longer say Mexico will pay for the wall?
Obamacare repeal was going to be "so easy" (technically that's not a lie, that was a falsehood)
Where are the lawsuits against the 19 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct?
Now, I have already put Polly Plumber in her (or his) place when she said I lied. I asked her to provide evidence, and she has not. I challenge you to do the same. What lies have I told? I will help you out...NONE.
You need to become more educated on this subject before you comment more.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole,
That was a very incisive and powerful post. On the one hand I want to give you props for your thoroughly demolishing the pro Trump posts, but this is more than a your side competing with our side game.
What you so accurately explained was and is an ongoing attack on our democracy.
It's not just a game to win points. Your post should be more widely published to wake more people up so they fully understand what is at risk here.
I hope you share your persuasive thoughts with a much greater audience than the letsrun readership.
(If someone accuses me of being a flagpole fanboy, they would be right.......that was a quality post)
Flagpole wrote:
Yeah, that comment from that dude is batsh!t crazy. Trump is the most amoral President we have ever had.
Conundrum wrote:
Trump a win for decency?
And just Google wikileaks and Russian intelligence. Tell us what you find out about the relationship between the two.
Trump a win for decency......that comment still amazes me.
I think Mr Billy boy Clinton has that dubious honor.
Flagpole wrote:
We THe People wrote:
You still amaze me!!!!!
You actually believe that Russia helped send out emails to people that it affected their brains so much that they switched from Hillary to Donald...you actually believe that? If that's true, then it just shows how dumb Hillary voters are, doesn't it? How can you answer to that? Simple, you can't.
If Russia helped with emails, SO WHAT!!!!
I never received an email and I am not tied to any party thru social media.
Think of how many emails, tv commercials, interviews, etc...that were done by both sides. Now you tell me that Russia put out emails---stay with me now---that someone read and it changed their mind on who to vote for, is that right?
Flagpole, the biggest Democratic Liar that I've ever heard of on this entire thread>>>>would lead you to believe that people did in fact get emails that changed their voting minds (the simple minded like him).
Really now??? Please, post one of these emails as of course since we all got them, right?
I never received one email. I work for the Big 3 with 100's of other employees, not one person received an email.
So then, since our intelligence agencies said this, where are the emails that were stolen and published to help Trump win.
I'll give you till Saturday, how's that? You guys have gone on and on how Russian intervened, then show us the emails that were so persuasive to persuade voters to the right.
Flagpole brings it up constantly, but provides nothing. Surely he received one as they knew he was a far left guy and needed persuading, right?
I'm sure that they were much more persuading emails than Hillary Clinton's emails and commercials against Trump---those were surely honest as can be:):):)
Honestly, bring it Conundrum, LL, and Flagpole. You guys won't have an honest answer because there is none. It's hogwash.
Dude. Man oh man, you really don't know enough to be commenting on this. I really am not in the mood to have to constantly educate you Trumpers, but I will give you a try.
1) First of all, Russia isn't being charged with sending "e-mails". They were involved in an influence campaign that centered around the use of Social Media. An effective campaign such as that doesn't necessarily have to make someone switch from voting for Hillary to Trump, but it can help keep some voters at home while emboldening other voters. In the early parts of the campaign, I saw so many fake things posted on social media that were almost all in favor of Trump and against Hillary. Initially I pointed out these fake posts (all easily verifiable) to those who posted, but there were just too many...I had to give up. And OF COURSE advertising works...that's why companies, politicians, etc. do it, and spend an uncountable amount of money on it. Many of these lies about Hillary and Obama and Black Lives Matter and guns control and Muslims and then positive lies about Trump got great traction. Here in Central Ohio, the biggest AM radio station announced that President Obama had arranged to have his kids' grandmother receive $160,000 a year for life from taxpayer money. They talked about it, said that was typical of Obama, and callers called in and said crap about Democrats and how they were going to vote for Trump as a protest. I contacted the radio station and let them know that they had been duped by Russian fake news, something that had already been debunked. The host of the show then sent me an e-mail telling me he had integrity and that this came from a reliable source and that he didn't have time to check all the sources (um...then you can report it as fact; which I told him). This was just one topic on one radio station. The amount of social media fake news posts and memes were absolutely insane, at least here in Ohio, one of the target states because we are a swing state. Also, IF Russia had done an e-mail campaign, you likely wouldn't have gotten one at your Big 3 job because IT would have weeded out spam e-mail. I'm not sure overall general knowledge is your thing.
2) So, you believe you know more than our intelligence agencies? They declared without question that Russia, from direction of Putin himself, interfered in our election with a clear preference to have Trump elected and Hillary defeated. This is not made up. This is not partisan info. They haven't wavered or wondered if it were true...they have all said it for sure happened and that Putin was behind it all without question.
3) I would like to know what I have lied about. I've never said anything about e-mails, so you will have to mention something else.
4) The social media campaign was extremely strategic, so if you don't live in Ohio, FL, PA, MI, or WI, you likely didn't see much of it.
Now, getting past your ignorance on this issue, ask yourself why there are at least 20 people attached to the Trump campaign or administration that have significant ties to Russia (not France, not Canada, not Indonesia)? Why have some already been either charged or admitted to lying about Russia or charged with financial crimes associated with Russia? Why is Trump attacking Mueller and the FBI? If you were innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't you be saying every day, "When this is over and I am found innocent, I will give the biggest 'I told you so' ever"? Trump doesn't do that. He attacks the investigators (ones that are Republican, appointed by Republicans and that Republicans and Democrats really endorsed early on until Mueller showed he is getting things done and getting closer to the White House and Trump). This is what Nixon did. He attacks the press except (like Nixon also did) for Fox News (and not even all of Fox News is on his side). Why do that? Because he is guilty and he is trying to seed doubt; doubt of the legitimacy of the press and the FBI and Mueller. It is all BS. Why did Trump say that if Mueller investigated his finances that that would be a "red line"? If he has nothing to hide, then he should be fine with it...it IS part of the investigative process in this case. Follow the money to see why someone might be inclined to accept help from a foreign enemy nation and then collude with them to defeat an opponent.
Is Hillary great? Nope. That's what allowed some of this to work. She was a very flawed candidate, though not nearly as bad as Donald Trump.
I assume you voted for Trump. How do you reconcile the lies he has told you?
Where are the taxes he said he would show you?
Why does he no longer say Mexico will pay for the wall?
Obamacare repeal was going to be "so easy" (technically that's not a lie, that was a falsehood)
Where are the lawsuits against the 19 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct?
Now, I have already put Polly Plumber in her (or his) place when she said I lied. I asked her to provide evidence, and she has not. I challenge you to do the same. What lies have I told? I will help you out...NONE.
You need to become more educated on this subject before you comment more.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Still grasping at straws I see. So social media got trump elected. Newsflash............the "basket of deplorables", likely isn't on social media all that much. Also, have the Democrats never resorted to a smear campaign to knock someone out of an election? Does that despicable character Harry Reid come to mind what he smeared Mitt Romney with lies? Happens on both sides my friend. Wise up. Wake up. HRC lost. Get over it. Wipe those tears away. Get some therapy.
Flagpole wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Well, given the slow pace of investigations in general (see Clinton, Bill) there’s just not enough time between now and 2020 for an indictment before the 2020 campaign. It might be better for the country if he serves out his term and then is charged.
This is assuming we dodge WWIII with NK....
Alan
That could be. As long as we get to the truth, whatever it is, and whenever it is, I will be satisfied. I BELIEVE Trump not be happy about the truth, but we will see.
I'll trade the truth about Trump, with the truth about the items below. We will see who comes out on the losing end:
1.) A Comey investigation, the FBI dossier and how it was financed in attempting to swing the election to HRC.
2.) The former DNC chair's claims that HRC took over the DNC, and pretty much torpedoed Bernie Sanders out of the nomination.
3.) An HRC investigation into how the Russia nuclear deal actually got done, and the 'quid pro quo" that Billy boy received for his worthless speeches in Russia.
4.) The "stacking of the deck" in the Mueller team with HRC butt boys that can't seem to have enough brains to keep quiet about their contempt of the President in texts. Any bias there in the investigation do you think???
Night observer wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Dude. Man oh man, you really don't know enough to be commenting on this. I really am not in the mood to have to constantly educate you Trumpers, but I will give you a try.
1) First of all, Russia isn't being charged with sending "e-mails". They were involved in an influence campaign that centered around the use of Social Media. An effective campaign such as that doesn't necessarily have to make someone switch from voting for Hillary to Trump, but it can help keep some voters at home while emboldening other voters. In the early parts of the campaign, I saw so many fake things posted on social media that were almost all in favor of Trump and against Hillary. Initially I pointed out these fake posts (all easily verifiable) to those who posted, but there were just too many...I had to give up. And OF COURSE advertising works...that's why companies, politicians, etc. do it, and spend an uncountable amount of money on it. Many of these lies about Hillary and Obama and Black Lives Matter and guns control and Muslims and then positive lies about Trump got great traction. Here in Central Ohio, the biggest AM radio station announced that President Obama had arranged to have his kids' grandmother receive $160,000 a year for life from taxpayer money. They talked about it, said that was typical of Obama, and callers called in and said crap about Democrats and how they were going to vote for Trump as a protest. I contacted the radio station and let them know that they had been duped by Russian fake news, something that had already been debunked. The host of the show then sent me an e-mail telling me he had integrity and that this came from a reliable source and that he didn't have time to check all the sources (um...then you can report it as fact; which I told him). This was just one topic on one radio station. The amount of social media fake news posts and memes were absolutely insane, at least here in Ohio, one of the target states because we are a swing state. Also, IF Russia had done an e-mail campaign, you likely wouldn't have gotten one at your Big 3 job because IT would have weeded out spam e-mail. I'm not sure overall general knowledge is your thing.
2) So, you believe you know more than our intelligence agencies? They declared without question that Russia, from direction of Putin himself, interfered in our election with a clear preference to have Trump elected and Hillary defeated. This is not made up. This is not partisan info. They haven't wavered or wondered if it were true...they have all said it for sure happened and that Putin was behind it all without question.
3) I would like to know what I have lied about. I've never said anything about e-mails, so you will have to mention something else.
4) The social media campaign was extremely strategic, so if you don't live in Ohio, FL, PA, MI, or WI, you likely didn't see much of it.
Now, getting past your ignorance on this issue, ask yourself why there are at least 20 people attached to the Trump campaign or administration that have significant ties to Russia (not France, not Canada, not Indonesia)? Why have some already been either charged or admitted to lying about Russia or charged with financial crimes associated with Russia? Why is Trump attacking Mueller and the FBI? If you were innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't you be saying every day, "When this is over and I am found innocent, I will give the biggest 'I told you so' ever"? Trump doesn't do that. He attacks the investigators (ones that are Republican, appointed by Republicans and that Republicans and Democrats really endorsed early on until Mueller showed he is getting things done and getting closer to the White House and Trump). This is what Nixon did. He attacks the press except (like Nixon also did) for Fox News (and not even all of Fox News is on his side). Why do that? Because he is guilty and he is trying to seed doubt; doubt of the legitimacy of the press and the FBI and Mueller. It is all BS. Why did Trump say that if Mueller investigated his finances that that would be a "red line"? If he has nothing to hide, then he should be fine with it...it IS part of the investigative process in this case. Follow the money to see why someone might be inclined to accept help from a foreign enemy nation and then collude with them to defeat an opponent.
Is Hillary great? Nope. That's what allowed some of this to work. She was a very flawed candidate, though not nearly as bad as Donald Trump.
I assume you voted for Trump. How do you reconcile the lies he has told you?
Where are the taxes he said he would show you?
Why does he no longer say Mexico will pay for the wall?
Obamacare repeal was going to be "so easy" (technically that's not a lie, that was a falsehood)
Where are the lawsuits against the 19 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct?
Now, I have already put Polly Plumber in her (or his) place when she said I lied. I asked her to provide evidence, and she has not. I challenge you to do the same. What lies have I told? I will help you out...NONE.
You need to become more educated on this subject before you comment more.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole,
That was a very incisive and powerful post. On the one hand I want to give you props for your thoroughly demolishing the pro Trump posts, but this is more than a your side competing with our side game.
What you so accurately explained was and is an ongoing attack on our democracy.
It's not just a game to win points. Your post should be more widely published to wake more people up so they fully understand what is at risk here.
I hope you share your persuasive thoughts with a much greater audience than the letsrun readership.
(If someone accuses me of being a flagpole fanboy, they would be right.......that was a quality post)
You're even more delusional than he is. My previous post applies to you then as well.
Night observer wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Dude. Man oh man, you really don't know enough to be commenting on this. I really am not in the mood to have to constantly educate you Trumpers, but I will give you a try.
1) First of all, Russia isn't being charged with sending "e-mails". They were involved in an influence campaign that centered around the use of Social Media. An effective campaign such as that doesn't necessarily have to make someone switch from voting for Hillary to Trump, but it can help keep some voters at home while emboldening other voters. In the early parts of the campaign, I saw so many fake things posted on social media that were almost all in favor of Trump and against Hillary. Initially I pointed out these fake posts (all easily verifiable) to those who posted, but there were just too many...I had to give up. And OF COURSE advertising works...that's why companies, politicians, etc. do it, and spend an uncountable amount of money on it. Many of these lies about Hillary and Obama and Black Lives Matter and guns control and Muslims and then positive lies about Trump got great traction. Here in Central Ohio, the biggest AM radio station announced that President Obama had arranged to have his kids' grandmother receive $160,000 a year for life from taxpayer money. They talked about it, said that was typical of Obama, and callers called in and said crap about Democrats and how they were going to vote for Trump as a protest. I contacted the radio station and let them know that they had been duped by Russian fake news, something that had already been debunked. The host of the show then sent me an e-mail telling me he had integrity and that this came from a reliable source and that he didn't have time to check all the sources (um...then you can report it as fact; which I told him). This was just one topic on one radio station. The amount of social media fake news posts and memes were absolutely insane, at least here in Ohio, one of the target states because we are a swing state. Also, IF Russia had done an e-mail campaign, you likely wouldn't have gotten one at your Big 3 job because IT would have weeded out spam e-mail. I'm not sure overall general knowledge is your thing.
2) So, you believe you know more than our intelligence agencies? They declared without question that Russia, from direction of Putin himself, interfered in our election with a clear preference to have Trump elected and Hillary defeated. This is not made up. This is not partisan info. They haven't wavered or wondered if it were true...they have all said it for sure happened and that Putin was behind it all without question.
3) I would like to know what I have lied about. I've never said anything about e-mails, so you will have to mention something else.
4) The social media campaign was extremely strategic, so if you don't live in Ohio, FL, PA, MI, or WI, you likely didn't see much of it.
Now, getting past your ignorance on this issue, ask yourself why there are at least 20 people attached to the Trump campaign or administration that have significant ties to Russia (not France, not Canada, not Indonesia)? Why have some already been either charged or admitted to lying about Russia or charged with financial crimes associated with Russia? Why is Trump attacking Mueller and the FBI? If you were innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't you be saying every day, "When this is over and I am found innocent, I will give the biggest 'I told you so' ever"? Trump doesn't do that. He attacks the investigators (ones that are Republican, appointed by Republicans and that Republicans and Democrats really endorsed early on until Mueller showed he is getting things done and getting closer to the White House and Trump). This is what Nixon did. He attacks the press except (like Nixon also did) for Fox News (and not even all of Fox News is on his side). Why do that? Because he is guilty and he is trying to seed doubt; doubt of the legitimacy of the press and the FBI and Mueller. It is all BS. Why did Trump say that if Mueller investigated his finances that that would be a "red line"? If he has nothing to hide, then he should be fine with it...it IS part of the investigative process in this case. Follow the money to see why someone might be inclined to accept help from a foreign enemy nation and then collude with them to defeat an opponent.
Is Hillary great? Nope. That's what allowed some of this to work. She was a very flawed candidate, though not nearly as bad as Donald Trump.
I assume you voted for Trump. How do you reconcile the lies he has told you?
Where are the taxes he said he would show you?
Why does he no longer say Mexico will pay for the wall?
Obamacare repeal was going to be "so easy" (technically that's not a lie, that was a falsehood)
Where are the lawsuits against the 19 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct?
Now, I have already put Polly Plumber in her (or his) place when she said I lied. I asked her to provide evidence, and she has not. I challenge you to do the same. What lies have I told? I will help you out...NONE.
You need to become more educated on this subject before you comment more.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole,
That was a very incisive and powerful post. On the one hand I want to give you props for your thoroughly demolishing the pro Trump posts, but this is more than a your side competing with our side game.
What you so accurately explained was and is an ongoing attack on our democracy.
It's not just a game to win points. Your post should be more widely published to wake more people up so they fully understand what is at risk here.
I hope you share your persuasive thoughts with a much greater audience than the letsrun readership.
(If someone accuses me of being a flagpole fanboy, they would be right.......that was a quality post)
Number 1=It's the same thing as emails you illiterate. How stupid are you?
Thank you God for stopping me after reading his initial response, you saved 10 minutes of my life.
Flagpole lies again...and again.
Night Observer>Hi Flagpole!
You spend some much time typing words. You seem to know so much and yet have so little information. I don't know where to begin. 1) All this allegedly happened under Obama and he did nothing. Everything you say is murky, you talk about social media and general advertising. Nothing concrete. You bring up some made up event in central Ohio and claim that is proof of something. There are no ties in anything you said to Trump. I don't understand how any of these events have anything to do with Trump. Now we do have evidence the Hillary campaign paid for the Dossier. They tried to hide it by funneling the payment through a law firm (12 million) dollars. The Dossier information was gotten by paying "Russian informants." When questioned about it under oath, nobody remembers who paid who. The Democrats, who claim want to get the bottom of it, obstruct the investigations in every way possible. Don't provide documents, take the fifth, don't testify, leaks, lies, you name it. 2) I'm not sure what to believe from the intelligence services. If this was bad and it was real why didn't they do something? It is not clear at all what they did. Post adds on Facebook? Tell us something concrete. 3) nonsense 4) nonsense There are some people that were attached to Trump under investigation or "under indictment." The indictments have nothing to do with "Russian Collusion." Trump is defending himself. He had every right to fire any political appointee. He attacks people that attack him. The press is not friendly to Trump and he does not take sh*t like Romney. If you question why Trump attacks the press, question why the press attacks Trump. Muller should not be allowed to do what he wants. He has a mandate and he should follow that. Again, I propose they assign another special counsel to investigate Hillary (she never had one), the email server, uranium 1, the dossier and the Clinton Foundation. Let the special counsel break into peoples houses in the middle of the night to collect documents, get the emails from the NSA, follow the money and start indicting people for lying to the FBI. I bet you won't like it. There are many questions surrounding the FBI, DOJ and Hillary corruption that have to due with the presidential election. There are many investigations going on in congress about that. So you are leaving out half the story. The Democrats are pretty dumb. What they are doing is causing the republicans to go after democrats, ie Hillary in company. Some of them will also be indicted for lying to the FBI, obstructing justice and many others.
Flagpole wrote:
Dude. Man oh man, you really don't know enough to be commenting on this. I really am not in the mood to have to constantly educate you Trumpers, but I will give you a try.
1) First of all, Russia isn't being charged with sending "e-mails". They were involved in an influence campaign that centered around the use of Social Media. An effective campaign such as that doesn't necessarily have to make someone switch from voting for Hillary to Trump, but it can help keep some voters at home while emboldening other voters. In the early parts of the campaign, I saw so many fake things posted on social media that were almost all in favor of Trump and against Hillary. Initially I pointed out these fake posts (all easily verifiable) to those who posted, but there were just too many...I had to give up. And OF COURSE advertising works...that's why companies, politicians, etc. do it, and spend an uncountable amount of money on it. Many of these lies about Hillary and Obama and Black Lives Matter and guns control and Muslims and then positive lies about Trump got great traction. Here in Central Ohio, the biggest AM radio station announced that President Obama had arranged to have his kids' grandmother receive $160,000 a year for life from taxpayer money. They talked about it, said that was typical of Obama, and callers called in and said crap about Democrats and how they were going to vote for Trump as a protest. I contacted the radio station and let them know that they had been duped by Russian fake news, something that had already been debunked. The host of the show then sent me an e-mail telling me he had integrity and that this came from a reliable source and that he didn't have time to check all the sources (um...then you can report it as fact; which I told him). This was just one topic on one radio station. The amount of social media fake news posts and memes were absolutely insane, at least here in Ohio, one of the target states because we are a swing state. Also, IF Russia had done an e-mail campaign, you likely wouldn't have gotten one at your Big 3 job because IT would have weeded out spam e-mail. I'm not sure overall general knowledge is your thing.
2) So, you believe you know more than our intelligence agencies? They declared without question that Russia, from direction of Putin himself, interfered in our election with a clear preference to have Trump elected and Hillary defeated. This is not made up. This is not partisan info. They haven't wavered or wondered if it were true...they have all said it for sure happened and that Putin was behind it all without question.
3) I would like to know what I have lied about. I've never said anything about e-mails, so you will have to mention something else.
4) The social media campaign was extremely strategic, so if you don't live in Ohio, FL, PA, MI, or WI, you likely didn't see much of it.
Now, getting past your ignorance on this issue, ask yourself why there are at least 20 people attached to the Trump campaign or administration that have significant ties to Russia (not France, not Canada, not Indonesia)? Why have some already been either charged or admitted to lying about Russia or charged with financial crimes associated with Russia? Why is Trump attacking Mueller and the FBI? If you were innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't you be saying every day, "When this is over and I am found innocent, I will give the biggest 'I told you so' ever"? Trump doesn't do that. He attacks the investigators (ones that are Republican, appointed by Republicans and that Republicans and Democrats really endorsed early on until Mueller showed he is getting things done and getting closer to the White House and Trump). This is what Nixon did. He attacks the press except (like Nixon also did) for Fox News (and not even all of Fox News is on his side). Why do that? Because he is guilty and he is trying to seed doubt; doubt of the legitimacy of the press and the FBI and Mueller. It is all BS. Why did Trump say that if Mueller investigated his finances that that would be a "red line"? If he has nothing to hide, then he should be fine with it...it IS part of the investigative process in this case. Follow the money to see why someone might be inclined to accept help from a foreign enemy nation and then collude with them to defeat an opponent.
Is Hillary great? Nope. That's what allowed some of this to work. She was a very flawed candidate, though not nearly as bad as Donald Trump.
I assume you voted for Trump. How do you reconcile the lies he has told you?
Where are the taxes he said he would show you?
Why does he no longer say Mexico will pay for the wall?
Obamacare repeal was going to be "so easy" (technically that's not a lie, that was a falsehood)
Where are the lawsuits against the 19 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct?
Now, I have already put Polly Plumber in her (or his) place when she said I lied. I asked her to provide evidence, and she has not. I challenge you to do the same. What lies have I told? I will help you out...NONE.
You need to become more educated on this subject before you comment more.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Night observer wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Dude. Man oh man, you really don't know enough to be commenting on this. I really am not in the mood to have to constantly educate you Trumpers, but I will give you a try.
1) First of all, Russia isn't being charged with sending "e-mails". They were involved in an influence campaign that centered around the use of Social Media. An effective campaign such as that doesn't necessarily have to make someone switch from voting for Hillary to Trump, but it can help keep some voters at home while emboldening other voters. In the early parts of the campaign, I saw so many fake things posted on social media that were almost all in favor of Trump and against Hillary. Initially I pointed out these fake posts (all easily verifiable) to those who posted, but there were just too many...I had to give up. And OF COURSE advertising works...that's why companies, politicians, etc. do it, and spend an uncountable amount of money on it. Many of these lies about Hillary and Obama and Black Lives Matter and guns control and Muslims and then positive lies about Trump got great traction. Here in Central Ohio, the biggest AM radio station announced that President Obama had arranged to have his kids' grandmother receive $160,000 a year for life from taxpayer money. They talked about it, said that was typical of Obama, and callers called in and said crap about Democrats and how they were going to vote for Trump as a protest. I contacted the radio station and let them know that they had been duped by Russian fake news, something that had already been debunked. The host of the show then sent me an e-mail telling me he had integrity and that this came from a reliable source and that he didn't have time to check all the sources (um...then you can report it as fact; which I told him). This was just one topic on one radio station. The amount of social media fake news posts and memes were absolutely insane, at least here in Ohio, one of the target states because we are a swing state. Also, IF Russia had done an e-mail campaign, you likely wouldn't have gotten one at your Big 3 job because IT would have weeded out spam e-mail. I'm not sure overall general knowledge is your thing.
2) So, you believe you know more than our intelligence agencies? They declared without question that Russia, from direction of Putin himself, interfered in our election with a clear preference to have Trump elected and Hillary defeated. This is not made up. This is not partisan info. They haven't wavered or wondered if it were true...they have all said it for sure happened and that Putin was behind it all without question.
3) I would like to know what I have lied about. I've never said anything about e-mails, so you will have to mention something else.
4) The social media campaign was extremely strategic, so if you don't live in Ohio, FL, PA, MI, or WI, you likely didn't see much of it.
Now, getting past your ignorance on this issue, ask yourself why there are at least 20 people attached to the Trump campaign or administration that have significant ties to Russia (not France, not Canada, not Indonesia)? Why have some already been either charged or admitted to lying about Russia or charged with financial crimes associated with Russia? Why is Trump attacking Mueller and the FBI? If you were innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't you be saying every day, "When this is over and I am found innocent, I will give the biggest 'I told you so' ever"? Trump doesn't do that. He attacks the investigators (ones that are Republican, appointed by Republicans and that Republicans and Democrats really endorsed early on until Mueller showed he is getting things done and getting closer to the White House and Trump). This is what Nixon did. He attacks the press except (like Nixon also did) for Fox News (and not even all of Fox News is on his side). Why do that? Because he is guilty and he is trying to seed doubt; doubt of the legitimacy of the press and the FBI and Mueller. It is all BS. Why did Trump say that if Mueller investigated his finances that that would be a "red line"? If he has nothing to hide, then he should be fine with it...it IS part of the investigative process in this case. Follow the money to see why someone might be inclined to accept help from a foreign enemy nation and then collude with them to defeat an opponent.
Is Hillary great? Nope. That's what allowed some of this to work. She was a very flawed candidate, though not nearly as bad as Donald Trump.
I assume you voted for Trump. How do you reconcile the lies he has told you?
Where are the taxes he said he would show you?
Why does he no longer say Mexico will pay for the wall?
Obamacare repeal was going to be "so easy" (technically that's not a lie, that was a falsehood)
Where are the lawsuits against the 19 women who have accused him of sexual misconduct?
Now, I have already put Polly Plumber in her (or his) place when she said I lied. I asked her to provide evidence, and she has not. I challenge you to do the same. What lies have I told? I will help you out...NONE.
You need to become more educated on this subject before you comment more.
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
Flagpole,
That was a very incisive and powerful post. On the one hand I want to give you props for your thoroughly demolishing the pro Trump posts, but this is more than a your side competing with our side game.
What you so accurately explained was and is an ongoing attack on our democracy.
It's not just a game to win points. Your post should be more widely published to wake more people up so they fully understand what is at risk here.
I hope you share your persuasive thoughts with a much greater audience than the letsrun readership.
(If someone accuses me of being a flagpole fanboy, they would be right.......that was a quality post)
Hey sh*t for brains, it wouldn't have been weeded out. I never said anything about it being sent to my work email address.
I said not one employee that I know ever received an email pertaining to the crap that you constantly spew, I never said work email address.
Believe it or not, we all have personal email addresses, yeah, really. You should take a general ed computer course, it may help.
IT would have weeded it out? Boy, you're a genius fat man. Again, you spew lies and innuendos. Only a couple of your goofball family followers and possibly your own kids are dumb enough to fall for that "spin".
I'm "positive" that overall general knowledge is not your thing.
Go back to the drawing board as your Russian Ad excuse isn't flying on this thread. Any Russian Ad had nothing to do with the final outcome.
Oh wait, you still didn't post the ads. Where are the ads? Of course they are so convincing and sooooo many people saw them, that someone as bright as you must have saved one, right?
Nope, you just spew lies and besides your Family, no one else follows or believes you. Talk about a lying degenerate. You're mental old man.
Flagpole, Mueller is coming, but not after Trump. The very reason Trump is pushing back on Mueller and the FBI is not because he's guilty, it's because he's innocent (of direct collusion). Trump knows that he can't be tied to Russian collusion so he generates perceived bravado and pomp by attacking the investigation. This is Trumps opportunity to punch back without any real risk. To appear tough to his base.
You have to know how difficult it would be to tie Trump to Russian collusion? Trumps' m.o. has always been to get close to the boundaries of the law, but not cross into illegality. He may be void of ethics, he may be insular and needy, but he's not stupid and he's a survivor. This does not mean I don't believe there was a concerted and effective Russian media based attack on HRC campaign. The attack was undoubtedly effective on a more susceptible voter population.
It's more likely one of the dozen or so women he assaulted will bring him down.
XY wrote:
Flagpole, Mueller is coming, but not after Trump. The very reason Trump is pushing back on Mueller and the FBI is not because he's guilty, it's because he's innocent (of direct collusion). Trump knows that he can't be tied to Russian collusion so he generates perceived bravado and pomp by attacking the investigation. This is Trumps opportunity to punch back without any real risk. To appear tough to his base.
You have to know how difficult it would be to tie Trump to Russian collusion? Trumps' m.o. has always been to get close to the boundaries of the law, but not cross into illegality. He may be void of ethics, he may be insular and needy, but he's not stupid and he's a survivor. This does not mean I don't believe there was a concerted and effective Russian media based attack on HRC campaign. The attack was undoubtedly effective on a more susceptible voter population.
It's more likely one of the dozen or so women he assaulted will bring him down.
One of the dozen or so women that he allegedly assaulted will bring him down? What are you smoking?
Oh, you mean like when the lesbian intern tried to file a complaint on Hillary and ended up dead the day before she was to testify? Travelgate? Whitewater? Etc...you mean how Hillary was brought down for everything that she WAS involved with?
You couldn't be talking about Trump, you're talking about Hillary, correct?
Mueller is investigating alright, but Mr. "I guarantee" Flagpole is going to look even more ridiculous than he already does. He just can't sit and be quiet, he's got to open up his big mouth and post before he thinks. Pretty soon he'll post, "wait till Summer, you'll see". Now he's already going back on his guarantees. What a weasel.
PIO! wrote:
We THe People wrote:
You still amaze me!!!!!
You actually believe that Russia helped send out emails to people that it affected their brains so much that they switched from Hillary to Donald...you actually believe that? . . .
You do realize that your "argument" basically boils down to a belief that campaign spending on ads, email campaigns, etc. have zero impact on the final vote, right?
You do realize that, right?
You also realize how stupid that is, right?
You know what is FAR more stupid than that? Thinking the *supposed* $100K of "fake ads" on Facebook/Twitter made any dent whatsoever in the $1.2B (F'n BILLION!!!!!) spent by the HRC campaign.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/You people are complete dolts.
Woody Lightyear wrote:
XY wrote:
Flagpole, Mueller is coming, but not after Trump. The very reason Trump is pushing back on Mueller and the FBI is not because he's guilty, it's because he's innocent (of direct collusion). Trump knows that he can't be tied to Russian collusion so he generates perceived bravado and pomp by attacking the investigation. This is Trumps opportunity to punch back without any real risk. To appear tough to his base.
You have to know how difficult it would be to tie Trump to Russian collusion? Trumps' m.o. has always been to get close to the boundaries of the law, but not cross into illegality. He may be void of ethics, he may be insular and needy, but he's not stupid and he's a survivor. This does not mean I don't believe there was a concerted and effective Russian media based attack on HRC campaign. The attack was undoubtedly effective on a more susceptible voter population.
It's more likely one of the dozen or so women he assaulted will bring him down.
One of the dozen or so women that he allegedly assaulted will bring him down? What are you smoking?
Oh, you mean like when the lesbian intern tried to file a complaint on Hillary and ended up dead the day before she was to testify? Travelgate? Whitewater? Etc...you mean how Hillary was brought down for everything that she WAS involved with?
You couldn't be talking about Trump, you're talking about Hillary, correct?
Mueller is investigating alright, but Mr. "I guarantee" Flagpole is going to look even more ridiculous than he already does. He just can't sit and be quiet, he's got to open up his big mouth and post before he thinks. Pretty soon he'll post, "wait till Summer, you'll see". Now he's already going back on his guarantees. What a weasel.
Uh, OK, but the topic was Trump and the Mueller investigation, not HRC. HRC is sitting by her fireplace in Chappaqua sipping tea. Trump is the POTUS (lowest character one of all time btw) golfing and tweeting his way through his Presidency. You do sound trollish.
And FP is one of the most insightful posters here, despite accuracy
XY wrote:
Flagpole, Mueller is coming, but not after Trump. The very reason Trump is pushing back on Mueller and the FBI is not because he's guilty, it's because he's innocent (of direct collusion). Trump knows that he can't be tied to Russian collusion so he generates perceived bravado and pomp by attacking the investigation. This is Trumps opportunity to punch back without any real risk. To appear tough to his base.
You have to know how difficult it would be to tie Trump to Russian collusion? Trumps' m.o. has always been to get close to the boundaries of the law, but not cross into illegality. He may be void of ethics, he may be insular and needy, but he's not stupid and he's a survivor. This does not mean I don't believe there was a concerted and effective Russian media based attack on HRC campaign. The attack was undoubtedly effective on a more susceptible voter population.
It's more likely one of the dozen or so women he assaulted will bring him down.
I have consistently said that the collusion (conspiracy) will be the toughest charge to stick. I debate whether he is stupid or not, but it is clear he has skated on the line of some very big illegal activities without being brought down hard. Much of that has to do with the fact he had access to a lot of money, and so he has paid a ton of fines over the years and has not seemed to care much about that.
Trump pushing back against Mueller is mainly due to the fact that Mueller is looking into everything, including financial issues, and Trump knows he is guilty there. I do't believe this is just to look tough to his base.
I could see him being brought down by the women he assaulted, but I would like to see him face the music with all of it.
Just out this morning is that Steve Bannon supposedly has called the Trump Tower meeting "treasonous". First thing I believe I have ever agreed with him on.
In order of likelihood today:
Money laundering
Obstruction of justice
Perjury
Conspiracy
Treason
Mueller is coming.
The clown is done.
OLD SMTC SOB wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Yeah, that comment from that dude is batsh!t crazy. Trump is the most amoral President we have ever had.
I think Mr Billy boy Clinton has that dubious honor.
He is second more than likely, but Trump has won this contest easily.
Use Your Head wrote:
PIO! wrote:
You do realize that your "argument" basically boils down to a belief that campaign spending on ads, email campaigns, etc. have zero impact on the final vote, right?
You do realize that, right?
You also realize how stupid that is, right?
You know what is FAR more stupid than that? Thinking the *supposed* $100K of "fake ads" on Facebook/Twitter made any dent whatsoever in the $1.2B (F'n BILLION!!!!!) spent by the HRC campaign.
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2016-presidential-campaign-fundraising/You people are complete dolts.
PIO! :):):):):):):):):)
As I originally said several posts ago, the Russian Ads had nothing to do with the outcome of the election. Flagpole doesn't like that because I was the one who pointed it out and he can't handle anyone using logic against him.
He then deflected and changed the meaning of my post and words in it.
I could not have laid it out any simpler than I did.
But big surprise, he wasn't man enough to admit it.
Hillary lost, get over it.
Mueller is coming alright, after her.
Trump will finish his first term, Flagpole said he wouldn't (easy post to find as he said it over and over)
After his first term, it's an unknown at this point.
Hillary and Barrack lied like there's no tomorrow. Flagpole was fine with it.
I own you Flagpole/Night Observer, get used to it.
Russians Ads did NOTHING to influence anybody but you as you believe it and were duped, again;)