Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

recruiter57 wrote:

willvlc wrote:

Yes, that's the problem here - these two are both totally nondescript runners. In their entire ultra careers their returns are:

RB 468/2088

WG 311/2134

If it appears they haven't done much racing, you'd be right. They clearly avoid real racing like the plague. When they race in public, their returns are pretty awful, but when they do their private stunts, they're faultless and imperious, albeit minus a human pulse. WG will be 10/700 here. Compare that to the above.

RB covered just 87.5 miles in a 33 hour race, and took 27:33 over a 100 mile race, yet for a private venture in Central Park, slams down 100 miles in 18 hours with a 1,349m of climbing [and no recognizable human pulse for a vast majority of the second half].

WG is very much a 3:05 man in the marathon, but in private run in Battersea Park, he'll rip you out a 2:50. And at Marathon des Sables his endurance limitations were hopelessly exposed, getting crushed by a W45 in 3:58 marathon shape.

But these companies who sponsor them absolutely love their huge followings they can influence sell through. Give them a choice between a pro runner with 25k followers, or WG and RB with 200k combined, and they'll take the latter any day. Balenger alone has more followers than Aleksandr Sorokin, and WG over four times that.

WG back on the ski poles today, seeing footage of him running is down to a few seconds a week, but still the conviction remains that they'll be done in a week, which would be some going. It's almost as if they know something we don't.

Exposed for what? Has WG ever said he’s one of the fastest runners on the planet?

recruiter57 wrote:

willvlc wrote:

Yes, that's the problem here - these two are both totally nondescript runners. In their entire ultra careers their returns are:

RB 468/2088

WG 311/2134

If it appears they haven't done much racing, you'd be right. They clearly avoid real racing like the plague. When they race in public, their returns are pretty awful, but when they do their private stunts, they're faultless and imperious, albeit minus a human pulse. WG will be 10/700 here. Compare that to the above.

RB covered just 87.5 miles in a 33 hour race, and took 27:33 over a 100 mile race, yet for a private venture in Central Park, slams down 100 miles in 18 hours with a 1,349m of climbing [and no recognizable human pulse for a vast majority of the second half].

WG is very much a 3:05 man in the marathon, but in private run in Battersea Park, he'll rip you out a 2:50. And at Marathon des Sables his endurance limitations were hopelessly exposed, getting crushed by a W45 in 3:58 marathon shape.

But these companies who sponsor them absolutely love their huge followings they can influence sell through. Give them a choice between a pro runner with 25k followers, or WG and RB with 200k combined, and they'll take the latter any day. Balenger alone has more followers than Aleksandr Sorokin, and WG over four times that.

WG back on the ski poles today, seeing footage of him running is down to a few seconds a week, but still the conviction remains that they'll be done in a week, which would be some going. It's almost as if they know something we don't.

Oh Will, you must have enjoyed 36 hours of no one really interfering with your gaggle of fans continually piling on your opinions…

Would it be possible for you to stop your bombastic statements? No human pulse? Come on. I’m beating at 52 right now. Is that a human pulse? WGs 105 is a human pulse just not to your liking. A 3:58 marathon is being exposed? Exposed for what? Has WG ever said he’s one of the fastest runners on the planet? You make it sound, or even a 3:05, as a blah time. Congrats to you if you blow that time away. But to the average marathoner, I believe 4:21 is the rate for men. So, by that definition WG is above average. But, I guess that isn’t good for you. Comments like you are making is what hurts the running community as a whole. You sound elitist. Isn’t running supposed to be for everyone at whatever their best abilities are?

My guess that the thing they know that you don’t is they believe in themselves and aren’t listening to the doubters.

You’ve now had 2 or 3 TC finishers explain to you that WGs distances, pace and HR aren’t surprising at all. They’ve also said that trying to compare 6 day ultras to a TC aren’t comparable. But you’ve now dismissed yet another one because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Wow! Maybe you’re trying to claim some fame from this and angling for your own Netflix special?

recruiter57 wrote:

willvlc wrote:

Yes, that's the problem here - these two are both totally nondescript runners. In their entire ultra careers their returns are:

RB 468/2088

WG 311/2134

If it appears they haven't done much racing, you'd be right. They clearly avoid real racing like the plague. When they race in public, their returns are pretty awful, but when they do their private stunts, they're faultless and imperious, albeit minus a human pulse. WG will be 10/700 here. Compare that to the above.

RB covered just 87.5 miles in a 33 hour race, and took 27:33 over a 100 mile race, yet for a private venture in Central Park, slams down 100 miles in 18 hours with a 1,349m of climbing [and no recognizable human pulse for a vast majority of the second half].

WG is very much a 3:05 man in the marathon, but in private run in Battersea Park, he'll rip you out a 2:50. And at Marathon des Sables his endurance limitations were hopelessly exposed, getting crushed by a W45 in 3:58 marathon shape.

But these companies who sponsor them absolutely love their huge followings they can influence sell through. Give them a choice between a pro runner with 25k followers, or WG and RB with 200k combined, and they'll take the latter any day. Balenger alone has more followers than Aleksandr Sorokin, and WG over four times that.

WG back on the ski poles today, seeing footage of him running is down to a few seconds a week, but still the conviction remains that they'll be done in a week, which would be some going. It's almost as if they know something we don't.

Oh Will, you must have enjoyed 36 hours of no one really interfering with your gaggle of fans continually piling on your opinions…

Would it be possible for you to stop your bombastic statements? No human pulse? Come on. I’m beating at 52 right now. Is that a human pulse? WGs 105 is a human pulse just not to your liking. A 3:58 marathon is being exposed? Exposed for what? Has WG ever said he’s one of the fastest runners on the planet? You make it sound, or even a 3:05, as a blah time. Congrats to you if you blow that time away. But to the average marathoner, I believe 4:21 is the rate for men. So, by that definition WG is above average. But, I guess that isn’t good for you. Comments like you are making is what hurts the running community as a whole. You sound elitist. Isn’t running supposed to be for everyone at whatever their best abilities are?

My guess that the thing they know that you don’t is they believe in themselves and aren’t listening to the doubters.

You’ve now had 2 or 3 TC finishers explain to you that WGs distances, pace and HR aren’t surprising at all. They’ve also said that trying to compare 6 day ultras to a TC aren’t comparable. But you’ve now dismissed yet another one because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Wow! Maybe you’re trying to claim some fame from this and angling for your own Netflix special?