Evan Noonan, Joe Barrett, Broen Holman, Robert Mechura, Manny Putz, Juan Gonzalez, Landon Pretre, Benjamin Anderson, Tommy Latham, Ty Steorts - can all compete at a very high level.
Daniel Simmons, Drew Griffith, Anthony Fast-Horse, Nathan Neil, Jojo Jordon would stomp all of them.
I think Jack Sheesley of Boise, as well. I think he'll be a sub 15:15 guy at Firman next year, should have a shot to go sub 15:10 at NXR. Also can't forget Max Cervi-Skinner of CDA.
Lots of Idaho talent. 9:12 man Cody Lucas (as a sophomore!) is the 4th returning junior in Idaho from the 5A state meet.
I do think Idaho sees Heemeyer, Stadtlander, Ringert, Lucas, Cervi-Skinner, Stockett, and Athay all go sub 9. I think we could see Helder and Sheesley do it as well, but it depends on what races those guys get into.
At the Bob Firman Classic, Herriman High School Boys ran on the same Eagle Island course that hosted NXR Northwest on Saturday. If you were to Include the Herriman boys times into the NXR Northwest results. The final team scores would have come out as follows:
Herriman 87 pts
Cour d'Alene 133 pts
Crater 140 pts
I am starting to believe that the Southwest Region is as dominant as everyone says it is.
At the Bob Firman Classic, Herriman High School Boys ran on the same Eagle Island course that hosted NXR Northwest on Saturday. If you were to Include the Herriman boys times into the NXR Northwest results. The final team scores would have come out as follows:
Herriman 87 pts
Cour d'Alene 133 pts
Crater 140 pts
I am starting to believe that the Southwest Region is as dominant as everyone says it is.
This was right after they ran a full 3 mile average of 14:21 at Woodbridge. That would be a 14:52 5k average.
CDA would have scored way less if May didn’t completely blow up the last 1200m.
same applies for crater and herriman
Herriman didn’t blow up at Firman. They had only 1 guy lose more spots than he picked up in the last 1200 and it was a spot. They picked up ~20 in the last 1200m.
Eagle Island is a faster course in September/October than it is November. I better comparison would be to add 5-10 seconds to Firman times to see how they would compare.
Plus Tostenton was in 51st at the 2m. He didn’t really fade. Just wasn’t ever in it. Crater held ground over the last 1200m. May from CDA just legit blew up.
Eagle Island is a faster course in September/October than it is November. I better comparison would be to add 5-10 seconds to Firman times to see how they would compare.
Huh??? It was almost 70 degrees when they ran in September. In November the weather was high 50s which is perfect. Please explain the logic here...
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Herriman didn’t blow up at Firman. They had only 1 guy lose more spots than he picked up in the last 1200 and it was a spot. They picked up ~20 in the last 1200m.
oh they had a few runners blow up. Trust me they are just that good. You will see this at NXN.
Do you think that runners today are going to be about 10-15 seconds faster today than they were 45 days ago? I do. Teams and runners should be improving as the season goes along. If anything I think you should take 10-15 seconds off of the times from Bob Firman, and that makes teams from the Southwest (like Herriman) even look more impressive.
Eagle Island is a faster course in September/October than it is November. I better comparison would be to add 5-10 seconds to Firman times to see how they would compare.
Huh??? It was almost 70 degrees when they ran in September. In November the weather was high 50s which is perfect. Please explain the logic here...
Anecdotally, kids seem to usually run much better times at Bob Firman or state than they do on the course at NXR. There of course could be various reasons for this.
Herriman is definitely a team that does not see a 3-5 point gain on speed ratings over the course of the season.
Steadman ran 185 at Woodbridge, the Tangs 181 and 180, Ogomo 179, Beckstrom 179, Hofheins 177.
They ran 182, 178 and 173, 181, 180, and 177 at Firman, respectively.
Steadman had a terrible day at state, but the Ogomo ran 182 (1 point better than Firman), Jonah Tang ran 182 (1 point better than Woodbridge), Beckstrom ran 181.57 (1.6 points better than Firman), Micah Tang ran 179, worse than Woodbridge, and Hofheins ran 179.9, 2.7 points better than Firman.
They are super consistent and deep. Huge improvements over the course of the season aren't exactly a Doug Soles specialty.
Huh??? It was almost 70 degrees when they ran in September. In November the weather was high 50s which is perfect. Please explain the logic here...
Anecdotally, kids seem to usually run much better times at Bob Firman or state than they do on the course at NXR. There of course could be various reasons for this.
Sure... Even though the nxn committee doesn't take woodbridge into account (unless you podium), that doesn't mean the letsrun won't consider it.
Herriman 14:21 average, Crater 14:51 average. That is a 30 second average early season difference...
Speed ratings can be so arbitrary. I think most would agree that teams generally are running faster towards the end of the season then they are earlier in the season. I understand this is a generalized statement, but it is logical to assume that more training is going to equate to faster results...again speaking generally.
Also, to say "huge improvements over the course of the season aren't exactly a Doug Soles specialty", is not a very well thought out statement. I don't think any coach in the country has helped a team improve as much as Doug Soles has helped Herriman improve.
Last year Herriman finished 4th in state, 2nd and NXR, and 3rd at NXN. You don't call that improvement?
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