PIO! wrote:
Borrowing from another thread:
https://twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/941484131757838337As stated elsewhere, do NOT watch if you are uncomfortable watching people embarrass themselves.
This is what "draining the swamp" looks like to Trumpettes. Appoint absolute incompetents.
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Oh wait, that hopeful appointee is eminently qualified - not part of the "Deep State." No?
all good americans should loathe trump and trumpism. This is what he is doing to our institutions
XY wrote:
Rubio is a YES, tax "reform" bill is going to pass
So, suddenly all Republicans do not care about the national debt.
L L wrote:
XY wrote:
Rubio is a YES, tax "reform" bill is going to pass
So, suddenly all Republicans do not care about the national debt.
the theory is that now they will start slashing spending.
The dominoes continue to fall...
I wonder why Kushner might need a PR crisis team?! Charges coming soon?! Perhaps some sealed indictments will be opened in the coming days. Just in time for the holidays.
nontrumper wrote:
I wonder why Kushner might need a PR crisis team?! Charges coming soon?! Perhaps some sealed indictments will be opened in the coming days. Just in time for the holidays.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/kushners-legal-team-looks-to-hire-crisis-public-relations-firm/2017/12/15/6fbf144c-e1c3-11e7-9eb6-e3c7ecfb4638_story.html?utm_term=.c008fd0b1d48
the paired story with this is the fact that Mueller now has emails from Cambridge Analytica. Kushner was the Trump data guy. A very likely path to collusion was cooperation among Russia, Cambridge Analytica and Kushner's data team.
They could have advised Russia on where to target ads.
eric a blair wrote:
L L wrote:
So, suddenly all Republicans do not care about the national debt.
*the theory* is that now they will start slashing spending.
more like, the "plan."
Yes, the "populist" Trump wants to cut the top tax rate on the richest, cut taxes on corporations, eliminate estate tax on multi-multi-millionaires, eliminate AMT even on the super-rich, no closing of carried interest advantage that the the "hedge fund guys" love, lower "pass through" rate that those same guys can take full advantage of, stockholders will very likely see some benefit (which yes, is good for lots of people, but the richest among us reap the biggest rewards here), etc, etc. So yes, BIG tax cut/benefit to the very wealthy, with modest cuts or even small increases on the rest.
How to pay for all these cuts?? (1.5 TRILLION $'s)
Cut all social programs that benefit the poor, cut scientific research, cut job training, don't do any infrastructure because you can longer pay for it, and maybe even raise some taxes on some of the very poor who pay no **federal** income tax, to get some of their "skin in the game" for them.
yes, VERY populist indeed!
eric a blair wrote:
L L wrote:
So, suddenly all Republicans do not care about the national debt.
the theory is that now they will start slashing spending.
But only spending that helps low income people.
The military budget will go up.
And what about the great infrastructure spending we were supposed to start on this year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJRcygyAEsgYes. The news that Mueller had docs and emails from Cambridge Analytica seems to indicate that he is pursuing 'Conspiracy Against the United States' charges and Trump won't just go down for obstruction of justice and/or money laundering. Good news. Mueller's investigation is weeks and months ahead of what we are now reading in mainstream media.
L L wrote:
But only spending that helps low income people.
The military budget will go up.
And what about the great infrastructure spending we were supposed to start on this year?
ha....we basically said the same thing.
nontrumper wrote:
Yes. The news that Mueller had docs and emails from Cambridge Analytica seems to indicate that he is pursuing 'Conspiracy Against the United States' charges and Trump won't just go down for obstruction of justice and/or money laundering. Good news. Mueller's investigation is weeks and months ahead of what we are now reading in mainstream media.
Trump himself is likely so stupid as to not actually know or understand, or have himself done something as it relates to the election. The people around him are a different story.
Money laundering is the more likely story for Trump.
This tax plan dumps on the working guy. Obviously most of the money goes to the top 1% (who have never been richer)
and the big corps who based on wall street already have have much doe as they need.
And the nonworking guy who doesn't pay taxes gets paid to have more kids and gets to spend this extra money anyway he wants.
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
eric a blair wrote:
*the theory* is that now they will start slashing spending.
more like, the "plan."
Yes, the "populist" Trump wants to cut the top tax rate on the richest, cut taxes on corporations, eliminate estate tax on multi-multi-millionaires, eliminate AMT even on the super-rich, no closing of carried interest advantage that the the "hedge fund guys" love, lower "pass through" rate that those same guys can take full advantage of, stockholders will very likely see some benefit (which yes, is good for lots of people, but the richest among us reap the biggest rewards here), etc, etc. So yes, BIG tax cut/benefit to the very wealthy, with modest cuts or even small increases on the rest.
How to pay for all these cuts?? (1.5 TRILLION $'s)
Cut all social programs that benefit the poor, cut scientific research, cut job training, don't do any infrastructure because you can longer pay for it, and maybe even raise some taxes on some of the very poor who pay no **federal** income tax, to get some of their "skin in the game" for them.
yes, VERY populist indeed!
And don't forget that aspects of health care funding are embedded in this bill. I'm guessing Trump will claim a personal victory for the tax bill AND burying Obamacare.
XY wrote:
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That is insulting. The America I know IS great. Too bad you think so poorly about America.
working guy gets dumped on wrote:
And the nonworking guy who doesn't pay taxes gets paid to have more kids and gets to spend this extra money anyway he wants.
This might shock those who have thought I am this extreme liberal but I don't think we should give extra money to people who don't pay taxes to spend on what ever they want. Why give financial incentives to have more kids than you can afford.
Put the money that you would have given to parents to spend anyway they want into medical care for their kids, or food stamps, and some way where they would have to buy kids clothes with it. Don't give the freebie.
We have a progressive income tax system. Any tax cut is going to to be a tax cut for the highest income earners since they pay taxes at every rate. Who do you think a tax cut is going to benefit? The top 1% of earners pay more than the bottom 90% of earners. The lowest 20% of income earners as a whole have a negative income tax rate. Do you want the lowest 20% of earners to get a tax cut so our tax system becomes even more of a system of redistribution of wealth?
If they wanted to make it fair and seemingly don't care about the debt why not keep the taxes the same and write every single person a $1,000 check each year?
Instead they "simplified" the code by tweaking it in a way where no one really knows how the change will affect them unless they run their last year's numbers through the new system and compare bottom lines.
And every one has a different change, some even pay more while high earners make big gains.
leaping lanny wrote:
We have a progressive income tax system. Any tax cut is going to to be a tax cut for the highest income earners since they pay taxes at every rate. Who do you think a tax cut is going to benefit? The top 1% of earners pay more than the bottom 90% of earners. The lowest 20% of income earners as a whole have a negative income tax rate. Do you want the lowest 20% of earners to get a tax cut so our tax system becomes even more of a system of redistribution of wealth?
If you consider TOTAL taxes (not just federal income tax), most people are paying "their share", more or less.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/images/100000005523331/blogs/krugman/2017/10/29/tax-cut-fraudulence-the-usual-suspects/Yes, the super rich pay the lionshare of the taxes. But they also earn the huge majority of the income. But what would your rather do, earn $100 mil a year and pay $20 mil a year in taxes , or make $10k a year, and pay $1k in taxes (total taxes)? Are we to say, 'hey the first guy pays waaay more in absolute terms AND in % of income than the 2nd guy. We need to give the first guy a TAX CUT!!'
Well, that's what right wingers say. They say: ' Give that first guy a break, he's only clearing $80 mil a year. The 2nd guy? He needs some more "skin in the game." We need to make America FAIR again!'
working guy gets dumped on wrote:
This tax plan dumps on the working guy. Obviously most of the money goes to the top 1% (who have never been richer)
and the big corps who based on wall street already have have much doe as they need.
And the nonworking guy who doesn't pay taxes gets paid to have more kids and gets to spend this extra money anyway he wants.
As Margaret Thatcher once said "you cannot make poor people richer by making rich people poorer." When the job creators are rewarded for their hard work, everyone else is better off. So stop hating on the successful people. If you are jealous of them, try working harder to catch up.
XY wrote:
Tyrone ReXXXing wrote:
more like, the "plan."
Yes, the "populist" Trump wants to cut the top tax rate on the richest, cut taxes on corporations, eliminate estate tax on multi-multi-millionaires, eliminate AMT even on the super-rich, no closing of carried interest advantage that the the "hedge fund guys" love, lower "pass through" rate that those same guys can take full advantage of, stockholders will very likely see some benefit (which yes, is good for lots of people, but the richest among us reap the biggest rewards here), etc, etc. So yes, BIG tax cut/benefit to the very wealthy, with modest cuts or even small increases on the rest.
How to pay for all these cuts?? (1.5 TRILLION $'s)
Cut all social programs that benefit the poor, cut scientific research, cut job training, don't do any infrastructure because you can longer pay for it, and maybe even raise some taxes on some of the very poor who pay no **federal** income tax, to get some of their "skin in the game" for them.
yes, VERY populist indeed!
And don't forget that aspects of health care funding are embedded in this bill. I'm guessing Trump will claim a personal victory for the tax bill AND burying Obamacare.
Wow, you're really bright you dipsh*t! When Obama pushed the Affordable Care Act (an oxymoron), he admitted that he didn't know what was in it. Yeah, charge higher deductibles, $1000's, to individual families---that's how we'll solve the Health Care Problem. Ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!! Talk about a dumb post! Obama can make it worse, Trump can try to improve it. Again, you're really bright old man:)