realistic realism wrote:
I've got your fake news right here buddy. Suck on it you traitors.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/whistleblower-flynn-told-ex-partner-russia-sanctions-would-be-ripped-n827031
They don't want to hear it. Even if the orange buffoon is removed from office they say it was unfair and point to Hillary and Obama, both of whom I don't need to mention are irrelevant.
Nicene wrote:
Trollminator wrote:
Right-wing pseudo-Christians are the most hypocritical people of any religious group in America. They point the finger at all sinful people outside their circle, but protect their own sinners. They play dumb when they find out one of their children are gay and send them to "rehab". They cry foul when any application of the law "infringes" on their religious freedom, always dismissing the fact that other groups suffer direct harm from biased treatment. Lastly, they voted for Trump - a man who stands for exactly the opposite of all their values on paper.
Blah, blah, blaaaaaah!
All fake regurgitated leftist propaganda by a FAR left wing zombie. You have zero values and only believe in the Government to bail you out with hand-outs. You voted for Hillary and you've read her long list of lies. You point the finger at Trump, but turn your head like a coward when you read all of what Hillary was caught lying about. You live a life of shame and can't stand losing. Too bad, you lost Spanky---ha, ha, haaaaa!
Be a good GOP soldier and revert to blaming Hillary and Obama for your disastrous leader.
Switzerland777 wrote:
Pigman, you're mentally unstable.
I'm not the one who thinks God will subject me to an eternity of torture if I dare to give my nice, lesbian neighbors a sheet cake.
You ruined a decent conversation. This was not about Trump. Why do you have to turn everything into a Trump thing?
Trollminator wrote:
its_baddude wrote:
Many of the protected class are going under because of Trump. If Hillary was elected, it would have been business as usual.
This is fancy way to lie to the idiots and not get in trouble. She is bigly protected. She lied about he emails, about her husband's accusers, about the dossier, about Hillary Foundation, about taxes, about pay for play, about abuse of power, about threatening people.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/8/hillary-clinton-says-she-has-both-public-and-priva/So let me get this straight - a known criminal is elected and brings with him a whole team of criminals, and when they start getting caught you turn around and say the protected class are going under and point to Hillary. There's a clear disconnect in your response. Based on all media reporting right now (pick any) the only people getting in trouble are those in Trump's circles and a few Democrats accused of sexual misconduct. Right - it's a whole conspiracy - all establishment is corrupt and thus it makes sense they want to push the savior out, the clean guy who has all the incentive in the world to fix our country.. good one
Not sure if this is fake news or not, but if you read the article you will realize it does not say what you think it says.
Donald Trump was just 11 minutes into his presidency when his choice for national security adviser, Michael Flynn, texted a former business partner to say an ambitious U.S. collaboration with Russia to build nuclear reactors in the Middle East was "good to go," according to a new whistleblower account.
realistic realism wrote:
I've got your fake news right here buddy. Suck on it you traitors.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/whistleblower-flynn-told-ex-partner-russia-sanctions-would-be-ripped-n827031
I bet Mr. Obvious believes that if you break your window and pay someone to fix it, it grows the economy.
Hardloper wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Agreed. I believe that a strong middle class results in the most vibrant economy. The middle class pretty much spends a very high proportion of any capital that they have. This demand is clear incentive for businesses to expand. Giving extra money to businesses without an increase in demand still leaves them with no reason to expand.
A good economy results in higher consumer spending, not the other way around. If you find a way to increase spending by money printing/lowering interest rates or minimum wage or more tax rebates, the incentive is for businesses to raise prices, not produce more. The result is greater nominal spending on the same goods (inflation) but not greater production (real GDP).
its_baddude wrote:
I bet Mr. Obvious believes that if you break your window and pay someone to fix it, it grows the economy.
Hardloper wrote:
A good economy results in higher consumer spending, not the other way around. If you find a way to increase spending by money printing/lowering interest rates or minimum wage or more tax rebates, the incentive is for businesses to raise prices, not produce more. The result is greater nominal spending on the same goods (inflation) but not greater production (real GDP).
Not sure to whom Mr. Obvious refers. So do you know what paying someone to fix a broken window does to the ecomony. Hint: think increase in goods and services
Hardloper, let's look at this and see if we can agree. It's a given fact that the middle class spends a very high proportion of any capital that they have.....agreed? If the middle class is given a huge tax break (instead of wealthy) the demand for products increases and increases prices. I agree with you on this. Increased demand increases prices and subsequently profits for companies. Increased demand will result in increases in production (expanded business) to make further profit. And this as you say is a good economy. I call it trickle up economy. Now if the major tax break goes to industry what do you think they do with this extra money. Would you expand production if demand stays at the same level. Probably not. So what makes more sense to you?
Hardloper wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Agreed. I believe that a strong middle class results in the most vibrant economy. The middle class pretty much spends a very high proportion of any capital that they have. This demand is clear incentive for businesses to expand. Giving extra money to businesses without an increase in demand still leaves them with no reason to expand.
A good economy results in higher consumer spending, not the other way around. If you find a way to increase spending by money printing/lowering interest rates or minimum wage or more tax rebates, the incentive is for businesses to raise prices, not produce more. The result is greater nominal spending on the same goods (inflation) but not greater production (real GDP).
Move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem? So that's the promise That Trump decides to keep. The one that threatens the middle East peace process (what there is of it)
Even the pope condemns this stupid move.
Conundrum wrote:
Hardloper, let's look at this and see if we can agree. It's a given fact that the middle class spends a very high proportion of any capital that they have.....agreed?
If the middle class is given a huge tax break (instead of wealthy) the demand for products increases and increases prices. I agree with you on this.
Increased demand increases prices and subsequently profits for companies. Increased demand will result in increases in production (expanded business) to make further profit. And this as you say is a good economy. I call it trickle up economy.
Increased prices is inflation, that's the key variable you're not factoring in. If everybody gets to keep 5% more money but prices go up 5%, they haven't gained anything. Businesses don't have more incentive to expand than they already did.
Conundrum wrote:
Now if the major tax break goes to industry what do you think they do with this extra money. Would you expand production if demand stays at the same level. Probably not.
Apparently we agree that rich aren't spending their money for consumption. That means they must be investing it, which we also agree is a good thing, I think.
Conundrum wrote:
So what makes more sense to you?
GDP is the end value (real, inflation adjusted) of all goods and services produced. In order to increase this, you either need to increase the number of hours worked, or make people the work force more productive. The main this happens in the private sector is when people forgo their immediate consumer spending and invest in improvements to productivity like technology or better factories. This benefits everyone because workers' productivity goes up and thus there is higher demand for it and products get cheaper.
Don Jr. today refused to answer a question to the Senate about his conversation with his father following the June 9 2016 meeting in Trump Tower. He cited "Attorney-Client privilege. Ha! Mueller won't let that go when he interviews him.
I thought the Trumps had nothing to hide. Why are they putting up road blocks and lying? If they are innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't it be best to as quickly as possible give all the information possible? Of course it would!
They are liars and are hiding criminal behavior. Time for you Trumpers to see it.
Trump is done.
Trump_wins wrote:
Flagpole
Do you have a job?
What do yiu do?
How old are yiu?
Do you drink alcohol?
Do you have drug use in your past?
I ask because I wonder if you are trustworthy.
Yes. I work for myself with my own consulting business
I consult for manufacturing companies
51
Very rarely
No
Flagpole wrote:
Trump_wins wrote:
Flagpole
Do you have a job?
What do yiu do?
How old are yiu?
Do you drink alcohol?
Do you have drug use in your past?
I ask because I wonder if you are trustworthy.
Yes. I work for myself with my own consulting business
I consult for manufacturing companies
51
Very rarely
No
Very rarely drink alcohol? Never ever even tried drugs? No coffee?
What kind of musician were you?
.Yes, increased productivity is good for everyone. Just a couple of points: Extra money for businesses could just go into increased dividends payouts. For the past few years, investments have done exceedingly well. No more investment incentive is needed. The wealthy investor class has never had more money. Giving them even more money will not have much of an effect. Companies always have incentive to produce goods more efficiently. It increases profit. Currently Interest rates are low, money is cheap to get. Demand, Not Supply, Not Capital Drives, The Economy. This Current Tax Plan Is Designed To Help The Rich.
Hardloper wrote:
Conundrum wrote:
Hardloper, let's look at this and see if we can agree. It's a given fact that the middle class spends a very high proportion of any capital that they have.....agreed?
If the middle class is given a huge tax break (instead of wealthy) the demand for products increases and increases prices. I agree with you on this.
Increased demand increases prices and subsequently profits for companies. Increased demand will result in increases in production (expanded business) to make further profit. And this as you say is a good economy. I call it trickle up economy.
Increased prices is inflation, that's the key variable you're not factoring in. If everybody gets to keep 5% more money but prices go up 5%, they haven't gained anything. Businesses don't have more incentive to expand than they already did.
Conundrum wrote:
Now if the major tax break goes to industry what do you think they do with this extra money. Would you expand production if demand stays at the same level. Probably not.
Apparently we agree that rich aren't spending their money for consumption. That means they must be investing it, which we also agree is a good thing, I think.
Conundrum wrote:
So what makes more sense to you?
GDP is the end value (real, inflation adjusted) of all goods and services produced. In order to increase this, you either need to increase the number of hours worked, or make people the work force more productive. The main this happens in the private sector is when people forgo their immediate consumer spending and invest in improvements to productivity like technology or better factories. This benefits everyone because workers' productivity goes up and thus there is higher demand for it and products get cheaper.
Lets all have a break all my windows day and double the GDP. LOL.
Conundrum wrote:
its_baddude wrote:
I bet Mr. Obvious believes that if you break your window and pay someone to fix it, it grows the economy.
Not sure to whom Mr. Obvious refers. So do you know what paying someone to fix a broken window does to the ecomony. Hint: think increase in goods and services
Perpetual economy!
its_baddude wrote:
Lets all have a break all my windows day and double the GDP. LOL.
Conundrum wrote:
Not sure to whom Mr. Obvious refers. So do you know what paying someone to fix a broken window does to the ecomony. Hint: think increase in goods and services
Flagpole wrote:
Don Jr. today refused to answer a question to the Senate about his conversation with his father following the June 9 2016 meeting in Trump Tower. He cited "Attorney-Client privilege. Ha! Mueller won't let that go when he interviews him.
I thought the Trumps had nothing to hide. Why are they putting up road blocks and lying? If they are innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't it be best to as quickly as possible give all the information possible? Of course it would!
They are liars and are hiding criminal behavior. Time for you Trumpers to see it.
Trump is done.
Agreed. Hillary, Bill and Barrack were and still are liars hiding behind their criminal behavior. Time for your biased eyes to accept it and stop being in denial.
All 3 sucked and they are done but they all keep complaining from the sidelines.
Trump will continue on, and on, and on...and you'll keep on posting your liberal dribble day in and day out.
Conundrum wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Yes. I work for myself with my own consulting business
I consult for manufacturing companies
51
Very rarely
No
Very rarely drink alcohol? Never ever even tried drugs? No coffee?
What kind of musician were you?
Funny. I gig about once a month these days, and when I do I have one beer. No, I have never tried any ILLEGAL drugs. I had my first cup of coffee at age 30, and I have had it once in a while since along with other drinks that have caffeine.
Agree w/FP wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Don Jr. today refused to answer a question to the Senate about his conversation with his father following the June 9 2016 meeting in Trump Tower. He cited "Attorney-Client privilege. Ha! Mueller won't let that go when he interviews him.
I thought the Trumps had nothing to hide. Why are they putting up road blocks and lying? If they are innocent of wrongdoing, wouldn't it be best to as quickly as possible give all the information possible? Of course it would!
They are liars and are hiding criminal behavior. Time for you Trumpers to see it.
Trump is done.
Agreed. Hillary, Bill and Barrack were and still are liars hiding behind their criminal behavior. Time for your biased eyes to accept it and stop being in denial.
All 3 sucked and they are done but they all keep complaining from the sidelines.
Trump will continue on, and on, and on...and you'll keep on posting your liberal dribble day in and day out.
All politicians lie, so I accept that as a given. The three you mentioned are not the President currently, and Trump has lied Bigly. He's in big trouble.
Trump is done.
Conundrum wrote:
.Yes, increased productivity is good for everyone.
Just a couple of points:
Extra money for businesses could just go into increased dividends payouts.
For the past few years, investments have done exceedingly well. No more investment incentive is needed.
The wealthy investor class has never had more money. Giving them even more money will not have much of an effect.
Companies always have incentive to produce goods more efficiently. It increases profit.
Currently Interest rates are low, money is cheap to get.
Demand, Not Supply, Not Capital Drives, The Economy.
This Current Tax Plan Is Designed To Help The Rich.
Yep. 10 years ago I MIGHT have been slightly pleased (though still against) this tax bill, but today I am just against...I just don't need bigger dividends at this point, and all those middle class and below that don't invest are left out in the cold here. Still baffles the mind how those people thought Donald Trump would be their champion.
BUT, this is a policy matter, and Trump is FAR worse than his dumb ideas on policy.
Trump is done.