Like someone else pointed out Roark left and he was a big piece in what made them so competitive.
I don’t know what’s happened with the women’s mid distance squad. The past few years they had Voyles who helped them grab a ton of points at the national level, and she’s gone now.
There’s only a handful of NAIA programs that seem to be able to stay at the top for long.
He barely qualified for indoor and placed 16th there. He didn’t even make outdoor nationals individually.
Zero All-Americans for a guy who two years ago was a national champ, then went d2 and was an All-American.
Roderick Soto ran on some good relays, but was a full second off his PR in the 400 (his main event).
What happened to Shevchenko outdoor? What happened with Caleb Rigney this entire season? That guy was a 4:13 miler a year ago!
Some Cumberlands guy was on here comparing Andrew Yeary to Payton Mauldin, and he only ran 1:56 this season and didn’t compete outdoor.
Andrew Barker was a part of some solid relays a year ago for them as a freshman, then he just disappeared off the face of the earth midway through this indoor season.
Noah McClellan finally had a breakout season this indoor, and now it seems like he’s injured.
Trost was the favorite to win the indoor 1k and choked in the final, then couldn’t qualify for outdoor nationals.
Victor Carpeggiani can’t seem to stay healthy for a full season.
Bartosz Trojnar and Ishak Mekideche have been huge disappointments.
Vaccari once again fell apart at nationals.
What happened to their heptathlete? She was second in heptathlon indoor and a top seed coming into outdoor nationals then she just didn’t finish all of her events at nationals.
Even in racewalk Bennett underperforms at every national meet. One of the Durant sisters hasn’t raced in like a year, and the other regressed significantly. Dillan Melchiore just started racewalk last year and somehow got worse with a year of experience.
If you run good at Cumberlands you leave. It seems like the only people who stay are people who are injured and never get a chance to get out. Mysteriously people just disappear, don’t check in, and run horrible at nationals. Great team management/culture.
Mya Hines was leading the heptathlon going into javelin but her long jump marks were removed due to her wearing illegal spikes for the heptathlon long jump competition. It took some time for the protest to be reviewed and ruled upon but once she found out in the midst of javelin, she was done.
The biggest resource C of I has is that they are just outside of Boise and Idaho is getting very good. They can routinely sign 4:20-4:25 guys from a few miles away. The just signed a guy that’s run the 94th fastest 110mh and 73rd 300mh time in the country.
This next recruiting class will be a pretty hefty one. Roster spots are getting filled at a lot of schools around the PNW. Look for them to sign 5+ sub 4:20/9:20 boys this next year.
They signed the following girls: 5:11/11:12, 2:15, 2:22, 5:13/11:22, 5:05/11:00, 5:02 1500m. Half of those girls are from Idaho, and all of them are from Oregon, Washington or Idaho. They are existing in a sweet spot for recruiting and they have a good history of developing kids.
So both her and Luca Madeo were wearing illegal shoes and Cumberlands coaches didn’t know?
How did Luca get away with that both indoor and outdoor?
Absolute mess of a program.
Again all the talent in the world and mismanagement throws it away.
Indoors there was very little structured to catch illegal shoes. Outdoor nationals had a specific shoe control officer who is very knowledgeable and monitored all events. But it's impossible for one individual to catch everything and Mya was actually disqualified by a coach recognizing what she was wearing and filing a protest.
You all talk a lot of sh!t behind fake names. Get girl friend or a job or something.
Maybe stop underperforming and trying to cheat and no one would have any trash to talk (along with trying to go all in on the race walk but that hasn't worked out for you)
I'm an Grad Asst at NAIA school not Cumberlands so nice try and just because I don't respond to an area doesn't mean I'm Ignoring it. I was just trying to have a conversation about others and learn. Sorry I triggered a nerve. I will move on
From what I heard Asslouj left Cumberlands on bad terms due to something this weekend and made a decision not to race. Didn’t hear any details on what happened, just that he decided to not check in.
Before anyone asks, yes he was actually at IWU for the meet and did seemingly plan on racing prior to this week.
Madeo also posted on Instagram that he’ll be leaving for a d1 or d2 school next season.
Not sure what Cumberlands will look like next year, but it seems like year two of this experiment was a bust.
Seems like he can recruit but in terms of creating a good team culture, managing his personalities, and getting much out of these guys he isn’t doing much.
It’s a shame that the best resources in our division are being wasted by this guy. Give those resources to IWU’s new coach, Layne, St. Mary’s or CoI’s coach and they’d be winning national championships year in and out all three seasons.
College of Idaho literally doesn’t have a track. They get access from two high schools. They also recruit almost entirely from the PNW.
This leads into an interesting topic, especially with the chatter about great resources. Of the traditional solid to great programs, who has the worst/least resources? Or even access? Indiana Tech didn't have an indoor track until recently but had daily access to the local community center track, enough to be able to host meets there. What programs thrive with little, no indoor facility (more critical in northern states from December to April), no outdoor track on campus or even a home xc course?
Indiana tech has 17 national titles since 2013… maybe slow down on burying them for one bad year.
Outside of UBC no one has been as consistent as them at the top.
another year or two of these results!? Then yeah they are cooked. But they just won the women’s indoor national title last year.
You are correct on not condemning a program for one down year, but it is apparent by their drop and Huntington's huge jump this year that Roark played a huge part in recruiting at tech. It also helps HU to have a very accomplished athlete leading their sprint group. I have no idea if he can coach and there's no reason to think he cannot but his recent success on the track has to be influential in the eyes of a teen. IT's distance program is perplexing but appears to have focused the international route as well. Indiana is such a strong state for high school XC, you wouldn't think it would be tough getting quality in state talent, especially for the discounted rate Tech can offer
College of Idaho literally doesn’t have a track. They get access from two high schools. They also recruit almost entirely from the PNW.
This leads into an interesting topic, especially with the chatter about great resources. Of the traditional solid to great programs, who has the worst/least resources? Or even access? Indiana Tech didn't have an indoor track until recently but had daily access to the local community center track, enough to be able to host meets there. What programs thrive with little, no indoor facility (more critical in northern states from December to April), no outdoor track on campus or even a home xc course?
Milligan has to be at the top for lack of resources. No indoor or outdoor track ( they use a community track), a very small weight room and share a couple of athletic trainers with every sport. On top of a revolving door of assistants every few years. Outside of the distance kids they don't have any coaches that can develop any sprint or field events kids.
This leads into an interesting topic, especially with the chatter about great resources. Of the traditional solid to great programs, who has the worst/least resources? Or even access? Indiana Tech didn't have an indoor track until recently but had daily access to the local community center track, enough to be able to host meets there. What programs thrive with little, no indoor facility (more critical in northern states from December to April), no outdoor track on campus or even a home xc course?
Milligan has to be at the top for lack of resources. No indoor or outdoor track ( they use a community track), a very small weight room and share a couple of athletic trainers with every sport. On top of a revolving door of assistants every few years. Outside of the distance kids they don't have any coaches that can develop any sprint or field events kids.
Didn't they just have a 4x4 go to nats this year? That seems factually incorrect if so
Doesn't look like they have a track so them and Coi seem to do the most with the least.
Also as a follower of this thread looks like "bob" decided to change users.
Milligan has to be at the top for lack of resources. No indoor or outdoor track ( they use a community track), a very small weight room and share a couple of athletic trainers with every sport. On top of a revolving door of assistants every few years. Outside of the distance kids they don't have any coaches that can develop any sprint or field events kids.
Didn't they just have a 4x4 go to nats this year? That seems factually incorrect if so
Doesn't look like they have a track so them and Coi seem to do the most with the least.
Also as a follower of this thread looks like "bob" decided to change users.
Their 4x4 got 30th. They only had one female at nationals so I wouldn't say they do a whole lot with less. Zero field events kids and no real development from coaches in other events outside of distance.
This leads into an interesting topic, especially with the chatter about great resources. Of the traditional solid to great programs, who has the worst/least resources? Or even access? Indiana Tech didn't have an indoor track until recently but had daily access to the local community center track, enough to be able to host meets there. What programs thrive with little, no indoor facility (more critical in northern states from December to April), no outdoor track on campus or even a home xc course?
Milligan has to be at the top for lack of resources. No indoor or outdoor track ( they use a community track), a very small weight room and share a couple of athletic trainers with every sport. On top of a revolving door of assistants every few years. Outside of the distance kids they don't have any coaches that can develop any sprint or field events kids.
Temps average 50 degrees there in February, with 3 inches of snow for the month. They don't appear to need an indoor facility. Poor coaching or inability to develop is not a lack of resource. It's poor hiring
tittles after Roark left and a ton before he got there …
what did Huntington do in the jumps? Roark’s event? Weird way to look at things…
Pretty strong reach. there. Coby bailey got the sprints group together and scored all of HU men’s points.
Many coaches recruit beyond their event specialty. Especially those with smaller staffs or a socially awkward man/woman leading. Roark has an ability to connect with HS/college aged kids, in any event group. It's his super power. I also said there was no reason not to think Bailey could do it and if he's that good, he won't be in hicksville for long.
To not recognize or acknowledge that Roark's staff is made up of former Tech all Americans and national champions. Why would that group travel to the middle of nowhere, with no semblance of a sprints and jumps roster, with a should have been death penalty black cloud hanging over the university? Rather than staying at the school that literally gave them everything? Come on man. Roark for the dub.
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