boring, correct answer wrote:
As has been said on this thread, the man and woman's reactions at the end of their marathons are understandable and they moved on, and the race directors are the only ones at fault.
Yes, we understand that the woman acted like a petty self-absorbed child. "Fault"?? This is a non issue. The world is not perfect. Take it in stride and respond with class - the woman runner is the only one at fault here.
making a big deal out of nothing wrote:
boring, correct answer wrote:
As has been said on this thread, the man and woman's reactions at the end of their marathons are understandable and they moved on, and the race directors are the only ones at fault.
Yes, we understand that the woman acted like a petty self-absorbed child. "Fault"?? This is a non issue. The world is not perfect. Take it in stride and respond with class - the woman runner is the only one at fault here.
There would have been a lot of emotions for her at the end of the marathon. Acting passionately is not a fault and it is silly to judge her for a poor reaction when completely spent. If you really dislike her as a person for this short clip of her it says more about you than it does about her.
javery529 wrote:
Unbelievably wrote:
Wow, I never knew that men experienced these things in races too. Do men regularly get one male runner running behind them the entire way in a 10k, despite your changes in pace - slowing down, speeding up, fetching drinks and so on , who then sprint past you at the finish. Then in the finishing chute, try to talk about your hairstyle and say things like 'I was following you the entire way'. Wow I never knew that happened to so many men as well.
This is exactly what she did to me in this race.
Ran on my heels until around mile 9 and decided to finally pass me and tripped me up. The guys on bikes that were carrying water for her were so damn annoying and kept cutting onto the course and getting in the way of people running as well.
She should have been disqualified for receiving direct external aid.
javery529 wrote:
This is exactly what she did to me in this race.
Ran on my heels until around mile 9 and decided to finally pass me and tripped me up. The guys on bikes that were carrying water for her were so damn annoying and kept cutting onto the course and getting in the way of people running as well.
Guys on bikes were handing the women's winner fluid bottles during the race?
That is against the rules for the elites and could/should lead to disqualification. Believe that was the case at Lakefront or some marathon in Chicago a couple years ago. Women's winner got DQ'd for doing the same thing.
Whats it worth? wrote:
Just out of curiosity, what’s the equivalent for a man of a 2:52 by a woman?
2:52. Amazingly the clock runs at the same speed for the men and women competitors.
The first place finisher, 23-year-old Marquette University student Cassie Peller, was disqualified from the 2009 Lakefront Marathon for accepting a water bottle that did not come from an official race water station.
boring, correct answer wrote:
making a big deal out of nothing wrote:
Yes, we understand that the woman acted like a petty self-absorbed child. "Fault"?? This is a non issue. The world is not perfect. Take it in stride and respond with class - the woman runner is the only one at fault here.
There would have been a lot of emotions for her at the end of the marathon. Acting passionately is not a fault and it is silly to judge her for a poor reaction when completely spent. If you really dislike her as a person for this short clip of her it says more about you than it does about her.
False. She is at fault for not controlling herself. You are responsible for your actions. Losing control of your emotions is not an excuse. And being emotional about this situation indicates self-absorption and pettiness.
So you can just go around cursing at people and justify it by saying that you're passionate? WTF is wrong with you?
Slow Men Versus Fast Women wrote:
However, if you ever develop breasts, periods, a wide pelvis, shrink in height to nearer the average woman's height, have a tiny amount of testosterone but large amounts of oestrogen and progestogen, and all the other biological differences that make men faster than women but unable to give birth, then do feel free to criticise my running performance compared to you.
No one should be criticizing anyone's running performances regardless of their age or gender as it is just a classless thing to do. However some of the physical attributes that you state are disadvantages are not really disadvantages. In what way is height a disadvantage? Distance running is not basketball and many of the world's best distance runners are small in stature - look at Bekele or Gebrselassie. Some of the other disadvantages you state are off set by women weighing less- try running carrying an extra 10 or 20 pounds on your back- that is huge in distance running. Some huge guy or woman weighing 200lbs running a marathon has huge disadvantages physically compared with any male or female elite runner.
People should be racing as hard as they can against whoever is in the race regardless. Worrying about the gender of their competitors seems to be very sexist in this day and age.
passionate boi wrote:
boring, correct answer wrote:
There would have been a lot of emotions for her at the end of the marathon. Acting passionately is not a fault and it is silly to judge her for a poor reaction when completely spent. If you really dislike her as a person for this short clip of her it says more about you than it does about her.
False. She is at fault for not controlling herself. You are responsible for your actions. Losing control of your emotions is not an excuse. And being emotional about this situation indicates self-absorption and pettiness.
So you can just go around cursing at people and justify it by saying that you're passionate? WTF is wrong with you?
You are responsible for your actions? Thanks for that nugget of wisdom.
She didn't stab the guy. She cursed at him. If you really dislike her as a person for this short clip of her it says more about you than it does about her.
I have never cursed at anyone. I agree with some of the posters that his woman was way out of line.
mf'er wrote:
The first place finisher, 23-year-old Marquette University student Cassie Peller, was disqualified from the 2009 Lakefront Marathon for accepting a water bottle that did not come from an official race water station.
http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/Americas/2009/October/Recent-Marathon-Disqualifications-Spark-Dissent-.html
Yup, female finishers #1 & #2.
I can say with 95% certainty that she received aid by way of a water bottle handed to her at the water stop after the 10K mark.
I was in a group with around 5 people, 3 females and two other males.
1 female was running the HM and I did not see her get handed anything.
The other 2 females went 1 and 2 overall female in the full and I am 95% sure I saw Manning receive a water bottle. If it wasn't her, it was the other female in the group.
It is legal to receive aid during races at official aid stations, even if that aid isn't provided by the race.
See: Rupp, Galen.
Andy Dufresne wrote:
It is legal to receive aid during races at official aid stations, even if that aid isn't provided by the race.
See: Rupp, Galen.
It was from bikes that rode with them, with no aid station in sight. The funny thing was when they finished the bottles, they'd throw them on the ground (because they were running so, errrm, fast) and the bike riders would have to cycle back to pick them up.
Ok yeah that's definitely not kosher
boring, correct answer wrote:
passionate boi wrote:
False. She is at fault for not controlling herself. You are responsible for your actions. Losing control of your emotions is not an excuse. And being emotional about this situation indicates self-absorption and pettiness.
So you can just go around cursing at people and justify it by saying that you're passionate? WTF is wrong with you?
You are responsible for your actions? Thanks for that nugget of wisdom.
She didn't stab the guy. She cursed at him. If you really dislike her as a person for this short clip of her it says more about you than it does about her.
Correct, she didn't stab the guy. And guess what, the guy didn't stab her either. But it's ok to curse him? Do you yell "a$$hole!!!" at the Starbucks guy who didn't "give you room" for milk? I do not. I take it in stride, which is what non self-absorbed people do. Or are you passionate and curse people for minor inconveniences? I think we know the answer to that one. I'll bet you have all kinds of excuses for acting like a douche. And I'll bet you have zero tolerance for being on the receiving end of douche behavior.
Forget everything. The real story now is the bike aid. Someone put Derek on it.
Did she have a unregistered pacers too? If so, that's another DQ factor. Derek posted this back in March. Someone was DQ'd from CIM for using pacers.
USATF Rule 144 wrote:
Did she have a unregistered pacers too? If so, that's another DQ factor. Derek posted this back in March. Someone was DQ'd from CIM for using pacers.
Glass City is not USATF Sanctioned, only USATF Certified so 144 would be left up to the race director. Without video or photo evidence it would be hard to do anything. I DO NOT believe the person on the bike was acting as a pacer. There were generally 3 leads bikes with us but the one that handed the water bottle off did not appear to be with us for long enough periods unless he was keeping himself behind our group.
Separate issue. I'm talking about runners. It's posted publically on Strava flyby's. Someone in their title said they paced her for what looks like 3 miles. Check the flyby's for the marathon.