Sprintgeezer wrote:
Sorry, but like I have said for the sprints, there is no ubermensch.
Anybody faster than a doped excellent athlete is himself doped.
Drugs WORK. And they’re scary as hell
+1 this is bang on
Sprintgeezer wrote:
Sorry, but like I have said for the sprints, there is no ubermensch.
Anybody faster than a doped excellent athlete is himself doped.
Drugs WORK. And they’re scary as hell
+1 this is bang on
trollism wrote:
I don't care that Farah is also a doper, Farah being a doper has absolutely no bearing on me trying to change the subject with false arguments.
Which is why people don't respond to your ridiculous arguments.[
rekrunnr wrote:
Fake news! He was at altitude like my wife, which proves they were both clean.
Also both are fast, and doping slows you down, get it?
Lol, I love this.
NOT NORMAL wrote:
usually have to be at specificity of 99.9% (1:1000 chance or less that this is due to normal physiological variation).
This is a ridiculous concept, given that elite athletes are already in the 0.01% percentile.
Why compare them to Joe Slow Fattie down the street?
true. I doubt there's enough data on the variation in elites to make claims about the likelihood of a change.
rojo wrote:
I was re-reading what Jon Gault wrote about him after his WR in October. He has the same agents as Matthew Kisorio, Genzebe Dibaba.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2018/10/new-half-marathon-world-record-holder-abraham-kiptum-run-fast-valencia/Gault wrote:
Well, his agent is Spaniard Juan Pineda, whose other clients include, per his IAAF profile, Ethiopians Gelete Burka and Genzebe Dibaba, Kenyans Benjamin Kigen and Mathew Kisorio, and Bahrainis Sadik Mikhou and Salwa Eid Naser.
Pineda says he met Kiptum at the Rabat Marathon in April 2015, where he ran 2:11:36 for third in his marathon debut (in addition to it being his marathon debut, this is the first entry on his Tilastopaja profile).
“He was position 3, but when I saw him run he surprised me a lot, under my opinion he run technically perfectly,” Pineda wrote in an email. “I was talking with him and he told me he is coming from a poor family in Kenya and he start late in athletics, but he told me many athletes was telling him he has a good conditions, after this day we meet again in Kapsabet (Kenya) in the place he is training.”
Kiptum signed with Pineda at the end of 2015, and on paper, his next two results weren’t particularly impressive: a 2:16:21 win at the Lagos Marathon and a 61:52 win at the Rock ‘n’ Roll Madrid Half Marathon. But Kiptum won both races and Pineda knew he was capable of more: Lagos had been contested in hot and humid conditions, while the Madrid course was hilly and challenging. Finally, in the fall of 2016, Kiptum got in a fast race in Copenhagen and responded with a huge personal best of 59:36 for the half marathon.
In 2017, after winning again in Lagos (2:15:23), Kiptum began training under Joshua Kemei, the husband of Olympic marathon silver medalist Eunice Kirwa.
Sadik Mikhou has been busted in the last 8 months too.
GoldenMiles wrote:
I am curious: to those who believe that everyone dopes, why even bother watching the sport anymore? I get that these busts can cause cynicism and negativity to invade your worldview, but, like, why even watch and support the sport anymore if you seemingly hate it so much?
For me personally, I enjoy seeing everyone being able to compete, and I'm not interested in the drugs.
The much more important issue is that very good people, like Kiptum, being indiscriminately banned from the sport.
My preference would be to ban the drug accusers, drug testers, and drug promoters from the sport, and to let the athletes compete.
Dhejrhhxcj wrote:
It’s unfortunate that the ABP system is so opaque and is really only a sign of a smoking gun, not an actual illegal substance present. Just wish there was a perfect system to keep doping out of our beautiful sport
That's exactly why bio passports and the other bogus drug tests should be criminalized.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
I talked to Kiptum's agent, Juan Pineda, who said that Kiptum has no idea what he could have done to register an ABP violation.
I also have no idea, and have been looking into the drug tests ever since they began.
Run for Jesus wrote:
Who is next ,the goat from NN team? (We call nn team = new needle team :-)
Ha! I asked El Keniano the other day if this NN team was the team Sky of running. He scoffed at the suggestion.
Only the Only wrote:
The new LRC article has all the info.
“He tell me, ‘I don’t understand exactly what is happened because I never do nothing wrong. I don’t know how my body [reacts] to the altitude or with my training or what I eat.'”
Kiptum was notified of irregularities in his ABP on March 27 by the AIU and asked to respond with an explanation. Kiptum emailed the AIU back on April 1, writing that he did not have an explanation as he claimed not to have doped.
I don’t know exactly what to say because I don’t have this information,'”
Indeed, how can you explain so-called ABP passport violations when you don't dope?
Even PhD medical scientists can barely explain it. This is another tool against those who won't play ball in the system.
On the other hand, if you *DO* dope, then you just make up whatever story the IAAF admin honchos will believe.
That is exactly what happens. Well said.
I would like to see someone represent Kiptum to sue the drug agencies and anyone connected with them for damages.
Only the Only wrote:
The new LRC article has all the info.
“He tell me, ‘I don’t understand exactly what is happened because I never do nothing wrong. I don’t know how my body [reacts] to the altitude or with my training or what I eat.'”
Kiptum was notified of irregularities in his ABP on March 27 by the AIU and asked to respond with an explanation. Kiptum emailed the AIU back on April 1, writing that he did not have an explanation as he claimed not to have doped.
I don’t know exactly what to say because I don’t have this information,'”
Indeed, how can you explain so-called ABP passport violations when you don't dope?
Even PhD medical scientists can barely explain it. This is another tool against those who won't play ball in the system.
On the other hand, if you *DO* dope, then you just make up whatever story the IAAF admin honchos will believe.
Then his own agent (Spanish) inverts the judicial system and want him to "prove" he is not guilty? Thrown under the bus.
Why did it take them 3-4 weeks to announce, from the time we emailed them back?
Reaching for straws wrote:
Coevett wrote:
[Kiptum] Has same Spanish agent as Dibaba.
Which proves he's clean, since Dibaba is clean, has been tested many times and always has passed.
So during the raid on a Sabadell motel complex, we had Dibaba in one room, the WR holder for 1500m and the main athlete in the group and in the room next door we had an army's supply of epo and steroids.
Marion was clean as well.
bureaucratic inertia wrote:
Why did it take them 3-4 weeks to announce, from the time we emailed them back?
Because they were not on a fact finding mission.
Jonathan Gault wrote:
Pineda didn't accept any responsibility and gave a long response in which he repeatedly said he is not worried about his reputation.
"I do not worry about my reputation. Why? Why? Why do I need to be worried about my reputation? No, I am not worried about my reputation. Why? Listen, I need to be worried to be manager? No. I am not worried. Why would I be worried? Why? I am nothing worried...Why I need to be worried? Me, I am not worried. Worried man should be the athlete. But me, why? Nothing worried. Me, I am now drinking a beer with my friends. Why I need to be worried? I did my good job. I did a good job with him. I met with the sponsor, I put him in London...I have 100 athletes in my group. How you can control this? Can you explain to me?...Why in athletics, everybody is crazy with us (the managers)? I don't understand that. In football or American football or tennis or basket[ball], when somebody has a problem, the problem is for the person. But here, everybody is accusing now the managers. Why? Now you are asking me that, you are worried? Why I need to be worried? Why?"
I guarantee you he is worried and he is already drinking.
Is Manager Juan Pineda former cyclist who got busted himself from doping?
Subway Surfers wrote:
So during the raid on a Sabadell motel complex, we had Dibaba in one room, the WR holder for 1500m and the main athlete in the group and in the room next door we had an army's supply of epo and steroids.
Posting from your locked up insane asylum cell.
And we have you ... wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
So during the raid on a Sabadell motel complex, we had Dibaba in one room, the WR holder for 1500m and the main athlete in the group and in the room next door we had an army's supply of epo and steroids.
Posting from your locked up insane asylum cell.
Officer finds pot in your car, you: "it's not mine, I don't know how it got there."
EPO equivalent of that:
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7399778Ha! Do you recall a thread that I was arguing with Renato last year and he came out of the blue with someone I had never heard of as proof that Kenyans doing "proper training" were just superior. He claimed that some guy who was Kwemoi's training bunny, a career 3:37 suddenly gets dropped in a 10k, barely breaking 28 minutes but six months later we're supposed to believe that he legitimately could then run 58 minutes. I Bett he is dodgy as well.
Too juiced to lose wrote:
And we have you ... wrote:
Posting from your locked up insane asylum cell.
Officer finds pot in your car, you: "it's not mine, I don't know how it got there."
EPO equivalent of that:
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=7399778
The perfect response to ex runner
Whatever happened to mindweak?