Evan Jager "likely doping" per new Fancy Bears leak

What's the point of these athletes issuing statements? The clean athletes and the cheats will say the same thing. They should take lie detector test or something and post those results along with the statements if they really want people to earn their trust.

Totally agree. If I were accused of doping, I'd want to take a lie detector test in front of a live stream ASAP. I'm guessing an agent would not let you do that. Why not, though?

We know Teg and Solinsky both visited Dr Brown. In my book, you've crossed the line when you see that guy. AT BEST, Jager/Schumacher are ok with that kinda stuff, considering these guys were all in it together for quite a while.

I like Wejo's "Schumacher doesn't even like aspirin!!!". Yeah, he might not like aspirin but thyroid and PRP are totally cool with him.

dznuts wrote:

I like Wejo's "Schumacher doesn't even like aspirin!!!". Yeah, he might not like aspirin but thyroid and PRP are totally cool with him.

LOL

In fairness to the brojos, that statement was made a few years ago before we knew definitively that Solinsky and Teg crossed over to the dark side. But perhaps they are so biased their opinions haven't changed.

The revelation about Schumacher's group visiting Dr. Brown illustrates to me that they're no better than Salazar's. It's pretty easy to see how Jager could end up with a "likely doping" profile.

dznuts wrote:

Totally agree. If I were accused of doping, I'd want to take a lie detector test in front of a live stream ASAP. I'm guessing an agent would not let you do that. Why not, though?

Lie detectors are not reliable.

ggilder wrote:

anacondarunner wrote: Also named were Farah, Rupp, and Puskedra. Hopefully this will shatter the perception of the BTC being clean as a whistle compared to NOP.

Talk about fake news. The more these rumors get spread and then dwindle to

heavy breathing 900 number hustles, the people who believe them look like gullible fools.

Not a rumor or fake news.

A leak from actual testing done/

Gotta bee wrote:

You're an idiot wrote:

No. I don't keep a log, much be a doper.

Even if I did, I wouldn't record non-training information.

There isn't anything a guy can do these days, no matter what he says pos's like this guy are gonna say someone is a doper, even if he had someone watching him 24/7 they'd think up something to say he's doping

OK, If it can be shown that Jager was tested around that time, then Jager is lying. No way someone could not remember BEING DRUG TESTED. And anyone who keeps a training log would write that down. Maybe, then, his amnesia can be cured.

Lulz and more wrote:

No one is mentioning the Kenyans who are NEVER tested off season / out of competition...

Both of those statements are wrong, which might stop people from taking any of your following statements seriously. Just saying...

casual obsever wrote:

Lulz and more wrote:

No one is mentioning the Kenyans who are NEVER tested off season / out of competition...

Both of those statements are wrong, which might stop people from taking any of your following statements seriously. Just saying...

Don't know if this is true, but AK president Jack Tuwei and Kenyan media say that Kenyan athletes are actually now the most tested in the world.

El Keniano wrote:

casual obsever wrote:

Both of those statements are wrong, which might stop people from taking any of your following statements seriously. Just saying...

Don't know if this is true, but AK president Jack Tuwei and Kenyan media say that Kenyan athletes are actually now the most tested in the world.

That is FALSE!!!!

Fakenewslibturdmedia wrote:

Of course Jäger is doping. I am amused by the naive idiots. So is Rupp. Farah too. He ran basically 756 steeple without that fall on last barrier, 3 seconds within WR set by a doped Kenyan who went to Bahrain for even more money than doping could ever get himself. These "likely doping" are 99.9% accurate proof of doping anyways, but they don't want any follies in the system and exposure to lawsuits so they can't out them. Coe would have a Farah positive test covered up anyways, he's no straighter than alanine Diack who took bribes.

Wow..."99.9%"accurate proof?" You might as well just say they're doping.

Not a real scientist wrote:

EPO is not that likely to throw up a ABP violation.

How much EPO would be needed to throw up an ABP violation?

Yeah maybe; "likely doping" to "stopped doping" (for now). Lol.

#cleansport wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Don't know if this is true, but AK president Jack Tuwei and Kenyan media say that Kenyan athletes are actually now the most tested in the world.

That is FALSE!!!!

Care to back that up?

El Keniano wrote:

#cleansport wrote:

That is FALSE!!!!

Care to back that up?

They're the most tested by the IAAF in total, because they have a lot of athletes in the testing pool and most nations don't need the IAAF to carry out their testing.

Kenya haven't got the facilities and given their huge doping problem need outside 'help' in order to do this.

It's a claim Renato uses a lot but he's being deliberately misleading, I believe you just don't know any better so that's fine.

dznuts wrote:

Totally agree. If I were accused of doping, I'd want to take a lie detector test in front of a live stream ASAP. I'm guessing an agent would not let you do that. Why not, though?

We know Teg and Solinsky both visited Dr Brown. In my book, you've crossed the line when you see that guy. AT BEST, Jager/Schumacher are ok with that kinda stuff, considering these guys were all in it together for quite a while.

I like Wejo's "Schumacher doesn't even like aspirin!!!". Yeah, he might not like aspirin but thyroid and PRP are totally cool with him.

only if you're a cuckhold. non-cuckhold alphas who are innocent don't take lie detector tests on stream.

Overthe wrote:

only if you're a cuckhold. non-cuckhold alphas who are innocent don't take lie detector tests on stream.

Correct, you would have never seen Armstrong take a lie detector test

i know you are but what am I? wrote:

Gotta bee wrote:

There isn't anything a guy can do these days, no matter what he says pos's like this guy are gonna say someone is a doper, even if he had someone watching him 24/7 they'd think up something to say he's doping

OK, If it can be shown that Jager was tested around that time, then Jager is lying. No way someone could not remember BEING DRUG TESTED. And anyone who keeps a training log would write that down. Maybe, then, his amnesia can be cured.

I get drug tested for work periodically, no way would I remember the dates that this happened. I couldn't even tell you within a month or two. And I'm sure that Jager is drug tested more than I am, so it is probably even more routine and less memorable for him.

Not saying that proves his innocence in any way, but acting like not remembering a test is some kind of smoking gun is way off base.

Also, your periodic use of ALL CAPS only makes you look dumb.

Subway Moran wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

But the key is the reticulocyte interaction in the off-score. They would test you for traces of epo or blood bag debris in the sample to explain your performances. So dehydration from a 3 hour run would easily be ruled out.

There is no Wada approved test for blood bag debris. What are you talking about?

Actually, look up Frank Shorter 2010 on youtube and you will find that at about the 40:50min mark Shorter will explain how the bag deteriorates little plastic particles or as he says "leaching of the plastic from a transfusion bag." This why I thought that the Salazar/Brown/NOP would have raised red flags by using transfusion bags for l-carnitine and vitamin D.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Subway Moran wrote:

There is no Wada approved test for blood bag debris. What are you talking about?

Actually, look up Frank Shorter 2010 on youtube and you will find that at about the 40:50min mark Shorter will explain how the bag deteriorates little plastic particles or as he says "leaching of the plastic from a transfusion bag." This why I thought that the Salazar/Brown/NOP would have raised red flags by using transfusion bags for l-carnitine and vitamin D.

well, so herebis the deal. They can test for the presence of plastic residue in your blood. You are going to test positive, so am I, so is everybody else on the board. It is ubiquitous in our environment. There is no way to tell blood bag plastic from other sources (this is a little simplified as there are different types of plastic and these can ne distinguished but the ones in blood bags are very common).

Given that background, it is nearly impossible to determine a baseline level for a population. It is also not really able to show how high it might spike and how long that spike might last. It then can't be shown that any spike came from a transfusion and not, for instance, a cyclist drinking from his plastic water bottle.

Lastly, Salazars athletes can legally receive transfusions in small amounts, so showing they did so means nothing.