Evan Jager "likely doping" per new Fancy Bears leak

Damn. That sucks

anacondarunner wrote: Also named were Farah, Rupp, and Puskedra. Hopefully this will shatter the perception of the BTC being clean as a whistle compared to NOP.

Talk about fake news. The more these rumors get spread and then dwindle to

heavy breathing 900 number hustles, the people who believe them look like gullible fools.

So his fall in Paris wasn't that bad because with that 8:00 he's still relatively under the radar.

only surprised about Puskedra...not the rest

I don't believe Puskedra. He hasn't ran anything that would lead anyone to believe he's on something.

Pusketchy wrote:

I don't believe Puskedra. He hasn't ran anything that would lead anyone to believe he's on something.

He was basically a workout pacer for Rupp wasn't he?

Also, I always liked Puskedra. But he did make a big comeback and he did have a sick child.

He has legit PRs. Maybe without help he's more of a 29/63/2:14 guy?

10,000 meters: 27:56.62

Half marathon: 1:01:36

Marathon: 2:10:24

Pusketky was also a NOP runner under Salazar until late 2016. Makes more sense now.

I just posted this on the other thread.

I'm as anti-doping as anyone but we need more info/context. Either that or we should just shut the site down and put up a black page telling everyone to give up on being a fan.

I mean under the label "likely doping" you have the likes of Meseret Defar, Galen Rupp, Mo Farah, Silas Kiplagat, Geoffrey Mutai, and Evan Jager

Under "passport suspicious" , we have the likes of Asbel Kiprop, Henrik Ingebrigtsen, Luke Puskedra, Mary Ketiany, and Aries Merritt.

Sorry Robert.

Your pocket boy Jager is a doper.

Explain that.

Rojo and Wejo:

I'm as big of a track "nerd" as they come. I've been a competitive runner and a promoter of the sport for three decades. I've been on this site since nearly the beginning. I love this sport.

Having said that, why are you two guys so loath to talk about (or admit) the REAL extent of cheating and PED use in our sport? Every time a report comes out you guys act like there's nothing to see?

You're overly skeptical that there's any real cheating. You guys seem to think it's onsies and twosies when the rest of us can cleary see there are dozens of cheats from all different countries and backgrounds. I for one love it when this stuff comes out because I hope that the cheaters and their coaches get exposed and run out of town. I hate the drug cheats. I want a clean sport. I welcome as much skeptisim and investigative journalism (or leaks) that we can get. We need it!

+1

But this isn't a report or journalism. It's also quite possibly not even a leak. It's a list of runners, in a PDF, uploaded to a file sharing site by a group almost certainly sponsored by the Russian government. Until there is some kind of confirmation or better evidence, it's nothing more. In this era of "fake news" I would think people would be a little more skeptical of some anonymous internet file.

We've embedded two of the documents here for your review.

No one is clean anymore - no one. Sad .

Look, we're not naive anymore about doping -- we know it still happens. A lot of people on that list are people we've suspected in the past. They could easily be doping.

But COME ON!

This was a leaked document from the Russian government, who are known to

1) Have a state-sponsored doping program

2) Leak documents from WADA to try to make everyone else look bad so that somehow we no longer believe that forcing all of your athletes to take PEDs is a problem.

3) Sometimes even CHANGE pieces of information in the documents to create conflict.

In addition, these are all test values that DO NOT RISE TO THE LEVEL OF A DOPING OFFENSE. There's a reason that you need such high values to test positive -- it's to avoid false positives.

So we have three possibilities for each athlete on the list

1) The high level is an anomaly.

2) The value was changed by the Russians to further their agenda.

3) The athlete in question was indeed doping.

Please, please, please, let's wait a coupe of days before burning them all at the stake. Since I'm doing lists today, this will give time for:

1) The athletes to put out statements explaining their test values.

2) The IAAF to put out a statement confirming/denying the data, maybe with some explanations.

3) Some journalists/scientists/LR readers to comb through the data and give us more informed conclusions.

Look, if these guys doped, and did it regularly, and did it intentionally, I want them out of the sport. Let's figure this out and spare no one who is guilty.

But let's just wait a couple of days for more information instead of indiscriminately cannibalizing the sport we all love.

Be patient. More coming.

ggilder wrote:

anacondarunner wrote: Also named were Farah, Rupp, and Puskedra. Hopefully this will shatter the perception of the BTC being clean as a whistle compared to NOP.

Talk about fake news. The more these rumors get spread and then dwindle to

heavy breathing 900 number hustles, the people who believe them look like gullible fools.

Agreed. This is actually fake news. I'm all for clean sport and feel as if I have as little tolerance for doping as anyone on these boards but, I mean, come on. What's legit about this leak? So IAAF just had some crappy looking spreadsheet sitting around with vague terms like "likely doping?" We like to talk about what's good for the the sport, out sport that's dwindling in populatity, and while doping is almost unanmmously accepted as 'bad' for the sport, I think unsubstantiated reports like this are just as bad. There's nothing damning. Nothing legitimate, nothing confirmed. But now some of the biggest names in our sport, the stars we should be marketing, have been denigrated. Let's catch actual dopers. Let's get the requisite evidence and convicted them. But I'm getting tired of ridiculousness like this...

Salem, MA wrote:

Look, if these guys doped, and did it regularly, and did it intentionally, I want them out of the sport. Let's figure this out and spare no one who is guilty.

But let's just wait a couple of days for more information instead of indiscriminately cannibalizing the sport we all love.

The running world still has their heads in the ground while in the cycling world we've already moved on long around knowing all elite athletes dope no matter the sport.