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PAGE 197 HOLY SHIT!!!
So there's actually NOTHING in there?
Told ya so.
didn't read the thread wrote:
So there's actually NOTHING in there?
Told ya so.
NOP is DONE NOP PR firm troll-boy.
rojo wrote:
I am all for medical privacy. WE're not talking about releasing them to the public. We're talking about releasing to USADA.
A) You could redact anything sensitive and
B) We're talking about sharing reports with your visits to Dr. Brown.
They wouldn't have to release they terminated a pregnancy two years ago.
If this were a telegram, the first line would read:
I'm all for medical privacy. STOP.
Stop, as in no compromise. The first five words define what I believe in, not that it defines the ultimate outcome every time in court.
Redact something, and when it gets out on LetsRun that something has been redacted, well...WELL...let the Doubting Thomases go at sub-4 pace on the keyboard to protest.
Trust USADA? And who's responsible for the leak of this USADA report, by the way? Mr. Obvious touched on this back on Page 4.
but why wrote:
Lance finally only fell only because ex-amish teammate Floyd Landis had a conscious eventually, it took someone that close
which is what it would take for NOP to crumble, so far no-one as definitive
I'm not sure Floyd talked because he "had a conscious eventually." To me, it always read like he got tired of Lance blackballing him and his team at (low stakes, comparatively) US races. Lance had so little chill--probably because of how things ended when Floyd left Postal, probably because Lance didn't like another American winning right after he did, probably because they're both pricks-- that he made it impossible for Floyd to make any sort of comeback and Floyd said f-it, I don't have a reason to keep my mouth shut if that's how it's going to be. Yeah he came forward, but not because he had a conscious.
No country for old HIPPA wrote:
More than just a "smoking gun" for Alberto and assistants, practicing medicine without licenses and dispensing prescription drugs is very, very illegal, the kind of illegal that will put someone behind bars.
I hate to be a broken record, but it's hard to believe that anyone is going to jail for what is described in this report. Generally, you have to do a lot more than Alberto has to run afoul of the licensing laws. Many of these allegations about dispensing drugs have been known for a while. If the local prosecutors wanted to charge on them, they would have.
In the meantime, the statute of limitations on these is running. Any crime committed before May, 2012 or May, 2014 is now beyond the reach of the feds or Oregon.
PS What Alberto is doing is seems tame compared to what happens in many NFL & MLB clubhouses.
Lapped Miler wrote:
Trust USADA? ... Mr. Obvious touched on this back on Page 4.
Trust NOP? Allow them to use excuses to hid malfeasance?
Mr. Obvious is NOT an attorney. He is a rampant speculator. Entirely clueless about so many things.
Bad Wigins wrote:
A 50mL limit is a joke because how much that is depends on how concentrated the solution is.
Except that it's not about infusing solutions. It's about subverting drug tests by masking the banned substances that are already in your system.
For a lot of things, including T, there's a cutoff point for serum concentrations. Stay below that level, and you are golden.
a few pages back, benevolent dictator wrote:
2) Why did Alberto - who possesses Androgel and knows how much can trigger a positive test - give Rupp massages before races when the team had its own massage therapist?
that makes no sense to me.
a microdose of pre-race testosterone is not going to allow someone to run faster. and if the gel had any meaningful potency, i've got to believe it would show up in a post-race piss test.
the reason for a runner to use testosterone during training is to promote faster recovery after workouts, which allows for more and longer and faster workouts, which leads to improved performance.
testosterone isn't rocket fuel taken on race day for extra speed.
perhaps i'm wrong about that. if so, cite the literature, pls.
Trust NOP? wrote:
Mr. Obvious is NOT an attorney. He is a rampant speculator. Entirely clueless about so many things.
Who among us would trust USADA with the confidentiality of key medical records? Not me. Doesn't matter that I'm not a lawyer, or that neither is Mr. Obvious.
Speculation can prove to be far off the mark, but mistrust is altogether different. There doesn't have to be a proven leak for me not to trust USADA with medical records.
Lapped Miler wrote:
Trust USADA? ... Mr. Obvious touched on this back on Page 4.
Along these lines, here's what Ryan Madden of USADA tweeted about the NYTimes story:
Something not included in this story is USADA's sincere appreciation for the courage Tara, Dathan & others have shown in speaking truthfully
OMG!!! wrote:
PAGE 197 HOLY SHIT!!!
Soooo... p197 describes Ritz sitting at dr. brown's getting an IV of l-carnitine and the doc coming in and squeezing the IV bag a bunch of different times as if to try to accelerate the flow. The presumption is that since he was squeezing it, and the infusion took over an hour, than it had to have been more than 50mL and was probably actually the 4 x 100mL bags that were prepared at some point the day before. It says Ritz couldn't remember if the bags were changed out while the doc kept coming in and out and messing with it or what size the bags were, just that he was told he was getting 45mL.
Ok i get the point. Is that the reason for the "holy sh!t"?
side question: is it ok to squeeze an IV bag to "accelerate the flow" no matter what it is? isn't flow carefully controlled by the drip device? seems like a weird practice.
yepppppppp wrote:
OMG!!! wrote:PAGE 197 HOLY SHIT!!!
Soooo... p197 describes Ritz sitting at dr. brown's getting an IV of l-carnitine and the doc coming in and squeezing the IV bag a bunch of different times as if to try to accelerate the flow. The presumption is that since he was squeezing it, and the infusion took over an hour, than it had to have been more than 50mL and was probably actually the 4 x 100mL bags that were prepared at some point the day before. It says Ritz couldn't remember if the bags were changed out while the doc kept coming in and out and messing with it or what size the bags were, just that he was told he was getting 45mL.
Ok i get the point. Is that the reason for the "holy sh!t"?
side question: is it ok to squeeze an IV bag to "accelerate the flow" no matter what it is? isn't flow carefully controlled by the drip device? seems like a weird practice.
So this is just an assumption that more than the allowed amount was is given to Ritz? Not an actual proven fact
wrong there wrote:
Not quite, Centro and Rowbury are stated as lawyered up and refusing to hand over medical records. Why would a clean athlete do that?
Names not mentioned wrote:Centrowitz, Jenkins, Hasay, Rowbury not mentioned in this report
Oh let's see... These leaks might have something to do with it.
Let's say an athlete got say...a minor std in college... Medical records are private for a reason.
USADA has some liability on leaks...
Lawsuit Coming wrote:
This report was basically an exaggeration of everything that has happened at NOP to make the Texas Medical Board depose Dr Brown. They never meant for it to get out. Now that it is they have opened themselves up to a mega lawsuit. The fact that NOP hasn't said anything the last couple months makes me believe this lawsuit is in the works. Can't wait!
Astute observation!
The leak itself shows lack of ethics on Usadas part. Idiots. The whole sport needs to be blown up and re-org-ed
Think about it., wrote:
Let's say an athlete got say...a minor std in college... Medical records are private for a reason.
So, the way to be a doper free of any USADA access to any medical records is to get an STD? Hmmmm....
BTW: Dr Brown is not an STD specialist. Why would he have STD medical information at all?
Astute obsv wrote:
Lawsuit Coming wrote:This report was basically an exaggeration of everything that has happened at NOP to make the Texas Medical Board depose Dr Brown. They never meant for it to get out. Now that it is they have opened themselves up to a mega lawsuit. The fact that NOP hasn't said anything the last couple months makes me believe this lawsuit is in the works. Can't wait!
Astute observation!
The leak itself shows lack of ethics on Usadas part. Idiots. The whole sport needs to be blown up and re-org-ed
The NOP PR Firm Foot-Soldiers are OUT IN FORCE Today.
You fools will be gone after a day or so . . . after the NOP money runs out.
My goodness you people are stupid
Let me make it very simple for you.
Regardless of what you think, you have absolutely NO RIGHTS to see anyone's private medical records without their permission.
Whether it pertains to thyroid issues, carnitine infusions, STDs, you name the disease as it really does not matter.
It is not your right or privilege to access this information.
The fact that this information is being reviewed and discussed ad nauseam on this forum is disgusting.
And the message board gatekeepers who allow this to happen have no morals and a clear ax to grind with the NOP
stds wrote:
Think about it., wrote:Let's say an athlete got say...a minor std in college... Medical records are private for a reason.
So, the way to be a doper free of any USADA access to any medical records is to get an STD? Hmmmm....
BTW: Dr Brown is not an STD specialist. Why would he have STD medical information at all?
Most doctors take a complete medical history and often exchange records with other doctors.
Anyway, it doesn't matter, there is no authorization in the WADA code for NADO to access private medical records of athletes. In the US these are protected by law.
Athletes are free to release them if they want to, but they don't have to.
I wouldn't. Doesn't matter what is in them, I don't want my medical records splashed across the internet and USADA and WADA have proven unable or unwilling to protect them.
yepppppppp wrote:
OMG!!! wrote:PAGE 197 HOLY SHIT!!!
Soooo... p197 describes Ritz sitting at dr. brown's getting an IV of l-carnitine and the doc coming in and squeezing the IV bag a bunch of different times as if to try to accelerate the flow. The presumption is that since he was squeezing it, and the infusion took over an hour, than it had to have been more than 50mL and was probably actually the 4 x 100mL bags that were prepared at some point the day before. It says Ritz couldn't remember if the bags were changed out while the doc kept coming in and out and messing with it or what size the bags were, just that he was told he was getting 45mL.
Ok i get the point. Is that the reason for the "holy sh!t"?
side question: is it ok to squeeze an IV bag to "accelerate the flow" no matter what it is? isn't flow carefully controlled by the drip device? seems like a weird practice.
Sure you can squeeze a bag of fluid especially if you want to get to the fluid in a faster time but it depends on whether the tubing was a micro drip or gtts (which allows bigger drops) tubing. If it's 4x100 ml then equals 400 ml. Not sure if it was in one bag of 400ml or 4-100ml bag. If doc was squeezing periodically, more likely a 400ml bag. Doesn't make sense to squeeze a 50 ml or 100 ml bag. Just my thought.