Thanks for saying that. Now I don't have to feel terrible when it happens. In fact, I might feel kinda good.
Woah Man wrote:
TheEndOfGreatBoulder wrote:Boulder is terrible and I'd be quite happy with a forest fire or flood taking out the town, and the rich a**holes who live there.
Take it easy, man. Don't say things like this. You'll feel terrible if it happens.
Does she (herzog) run at one of the other Boulder clubs? Brad Hudson did not want to coach her anymore, right?
Her website still lists him as her coach.
30 per month = 30 x 12 = $360 per year. for 5 years = $1800.
1,500,000 / 1800 = 833.33 runners needed so almost the 10,000!!!
oh wait it is $1,500,000 per year?
ooops - so 1,500,000 / 360 = 4,166 users needed.
so lets say they charge a modest $10/month fee seems reasonable.
10x12 = $120 per year per person. x 5 years = $600.
1,500,000 / 600 = 2500 users needed. Which is still a lot.
The point is still valid, but the numbers were a little skewed.
What is the value of a runner wrote:
I know that none of the trolls on letsrun actually like the truth but here it is...
1. Fairview HS has always required permits but now they are no longer turning a blind eye. Why you ask? Well, it was because there were 8 teams at the track one morning with around 200 runners there who unfortunately made it impossible for the students at the HS to park. The students complained and boom...there you go. Unfortunately there were about 60 people from the "hobby jogger" group there, but they don't park near the track. Thus you see why their names were run through the mud. Easy to blame because there are more of them. Where were the remaining 140 people? Well that's from Boulder Track Club, Boulder Coaching, Boulder Striders, Hudson Elite, Roots Running, a triathlon group, and a College Team visiting the area.
2. There are big-mouths in the Boulder community that just are not nice people. Plain and simple.
3. What defines "a runner that should be running on the track"? Many from the "hobby jogger" teams actually run faster than many in the local sub-elite groups but don't want to take it so seriously. So... What about the HS students on the JV team? What about a 7 min mile? What about a 6 min mile? What about a 5 min mile? What about a marathoner? What about a 65 year old woman who is nationally ranked? What about an 8 year old? What defines a runner that "deserves the privilege to use a track more than anyone else"? And who are YOU to decide who is a runner or not. Where is that line? It's just so offensive in SO MANY WAYS for someone else to say who deserves to be classified as a runner and who is more worthy than someone else. You know who gets to decide in this case who gets to use the track? Right - a permit does. The problem is that every group in the area has been flocking to this one track that turns a blind eye. But when 200 people show up of a morning and all of the HS parking spots are taken...there is a problem for sure. It doesn't matter that x group has 10 and y group has 25. Added up you could have literally hundreds of runners showing up.
4. All of the above groups take money from their members to fund the club. Even "non-profits" pay their owner. There isn't a single group listed above (with the exception of the visiting college) where the athletes don't pay their coach - plain and simple.
5. Oh...and no body jumped fences or broke into restrooms that morning from Boulder Track Club or Revolution Running. I don't see Mrs. "55 year old retired teacher" spouting profanity and being disrespectful to other athletes or "Mr. 40 year old engineer" trying to crack a lock on a bathroom". Don't trust everything that comes out of someones mouth. It's easy to make up lies to hurt others for sure.
6. It's actually a really easy process to get a permit so everyone just needs to suck it up and do it the right way. I really don't understand why everyone is griping so much.
7. People who are petty, hurtful, and disrespectful to others are just horrible. A community is important and I don't understand why people have to be so mean over something that literally isn't a big deal. There are clubs in other parts of the country with 500-1000 people. No one gets their panties in a wad there and everyone can get along. Stop the trash talk and get on with life.
8. Rule of the day - just be nice to others. Why the hate, why the anger? It is at the end of the day - running.
Hmmm I wonder who this could be?
I don't have a dog in this fight, but sounds like you were in the wrong. You're trying hard to justify your group's actions, but you of all people should know basic track etiquette. Yield to the faster runners. Always.
i math gooder wrote:
30 per month = 30 x 12 = $360 per year. for 5 years = $1800.
1,500,000 / 1800 = 833.33 runners needed so almost the 10,000!!!
oh wait it is $1,500,000 per year?
ooops - so 1,500,000 / 360 = 4,166 users needed.
so lets say they charge a modest $10/month fee seems reasonable.
10x12 = $120 per year per person. x 5 years = $600.
1,500,000 / 600 = 2500 users needed. Which is still a lot.
The point is still valid, but the numbers were a little skewed.
I'm not following why it changed to $1.5mil per year, and then back to per 5 years.
Interesting question though, a track operated like a 24hr gym. Gated entry with member keycards maybe.
Borrow the 1.5mil for 5yrs at 5% and you'll pay $27,600/mo, round up for O&M and your monthly expenses are $30,000.
You could go cheap and get more members expecting most to not actually use it, like planet fitness. Or charge more with fewer members. Either way income is limited, and the only variable is to extend the payout period. Let's assume max income is at a $30 fee with 300 members = $9,000/mo. You'd have to extend your payout period to about 30 years to break even monthly.
1 2 3 green wrote:
i math gooder wrote:30 per month = 30 x 12 = $360 per year. for 5 years = $1800.
1,500,000 / 1800 = 833.33 runners needed so almost the 10,000!!!
oh wait it is $1,500,000 per year?
ooops - so 1,500,000 / 360 = 4,166 users needed.
so lets say they charge a modest $10/month fee seems reasonable.
10x12 = $120 per year per person. x 5 years = $600.
1,500,000 / 600 = 2500 users needed. Which is still a lot.
The point is still valid, but the numbers were a little skewed.
I'm not following why it changed to $1.5mil per year, and then back to per 5 years.
Interesting question though, a track operated like a 24hr gym. Gated entry with member keycards maybe.
Borrow the 1.5mil for 5yrs at 5% and you'll pay $27,600/mo, round up for O&M and your monthly expenses are $30,000.
You could go cheap and get more members expecting most to not actually use it, like planet fitness. Or charge more with fewer members. Either way income is limited, and the only variable is to extend the payout period. Let's assume max income is at a $30 fee with 300 members = $9,000/mo. You'd have to extend your payout period to about 30 years to break even monthly.
The math is all well and good, but not entirely realistic for a public track. Maybe someday in the future we will see private facilities like at Planet Fitness or tennis courts or golf course at a country club. And actually I can see that day coming, but even then there would have to be other membership amenities beyond just use of the track: juice bar; massage and yoga, maybe a 1 or 1.5K loop on a trail that has lights and that's secure at all hours.
That said, through now and into the foreseeable future (probably the next 20-30 years) almost all track facilities will be publically owned and subsidized.
So it would be more like softball diamonds or swimming pools at public parks. The clubs would pay a pay fee, but it's definitely not enough to pay for all of the construction and maintenance of the facilities. It might not all be taxpayer dollars too. For example, Colorado uses the lottery to pay for parks, open space, and conservation as well as many other programs. And I believe that's what some in the Boulder community have been trying to do: get the county/city to set aside some open space, build a community park, and with it include a track.
Such a track could have a schedule: time for private clubs to rent; open use; and competition. In most places it's not feasible to have such a facility, but in a densely populated urban area or a city like Boulder which has a high number of clubs, such a system could easily work.
I was only replying to person who said it would take 10,000 members at $30/month for 5 years to pay off a $1.5 million track.
Was just showing that in that scenario it was not true. What that poster did was mean 30/year fee not month. I was just in a pissy mood at the time.
About 15-18 years ago there was talk of building an IAAF-ready track facility on the Bobolink-S. Boulder open space trail site. This idea was quickly shot down and never resurfaced.