RE: If you believe in the concept of Performance Enhancing Drugs......

How do you explain the adaptations/benefits reaped from altitude training?

Jon Orange wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

He showed us his math. Show us yours.

Try to keep up Mr Oblivious.

So wellnow/jono/J.R., you are completely wrong on the math but refuse to admit it.

Close rekrunner. I was a cycling journalist many years ago. I learned about EPO in 1991. I was educated about anabolic steroids by those in the know in 1992. I studied the science of altitude training in my own time at the library of Teesside University in the 90s.

I wrote to Chris Boardman about this with some ideas in 1999 He wrote back. Some of these Ideas were later used by a cyclist he briefly coached to win the Tour de France, because they were good ideas, maybe they were passed on from me or maybe it's coincidence or maybe it's because it was common sense?

I have had the same approach to training since 2001 and the same approach as on this thread, since I started posting here in 2003. Because its' based on real physiology not pseudoscience.

Regarding you summary of my approach, 2 and 3 are essentially decided by 1 and 3.

I particularly like the orchestra analogy. I think you paraphrased malmo in that definition?

rekrunner wrote:

PEDs do not improve bio-mechanics or neuro-muscular coordination.

Do you have better neuro muscular coordination at the top of Mount Everest without supplemental oxygen or when going for a hike a few hundred meters above sea level?

Mr. Obvious wrote:

Jon Orange wrote:

Try to keep up Mr Oblivious.

So wellnow/jono/J.R., you are completely wrong on the math but refuse to admit it.

No, you're not getting it. Read Daniels.

I'm not J.R. But you will just continue your ususal childish, whatever J.R. crap.

You're a troll and an obvious one.

3,2,1 whatever J.R.

Grow up you clown.

PhD wrote:

rekrunner wrote:

PEDs do not improve bio-mechanics or neuro-muscular coordination.

Do you have better neuro muscular coordination at the top of Mount Everest without supplemental oxygen or when going for a hike a few hundred meters above sea level?

The second one. I can see that your PhD is not related to physiology though.

Evidence please?

Flying High wrote:

How do you explain the adaptations/benefits reaped from altitude training?

What adaptions are you refering to?

And now he's talking credit for Brad Wiggins winning the TDF.

Absolutely barking.

Give Jon a break, he was a journo for kids tricycles back in the early 90s.

Ha also wrote reviews on diapers and established a theory that kids don't really poop; it's just a state of mind in response to not getting enough attention from their parents.

You can't show your math, can you?

trollism wrote:

And now he's talking credit for Brad Wiggins winning the TDF.

Absolutely barking.

I have a copy of the letter and the reply from Boardman.

You will say I faked it of course, ya nutter.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

You can't show your math, can you?

It's not my math is it? It's Daniels' math. Stop arguing for the sake of it. You're obsessed with me. That's not healthy.

If you DON'T believe that they work, you are a complete MORON.

Jon Orange wrote:

Flying High wrote:

How do you explain the adaptations/benefits reaped from altitude training?

What adaptions are you refering to?

You should know what I'm referring to, but, altitude training increases the number of red blood cells in the body, which is the same benefit of EPO. So, if athletes get a performance benefit from altitude training, then they would get a similar benefit from EPO.

Jon Orange wrote:

And how come the old womens' records are still standing?

Jon Orange wrote:

trollism wrote:

And now he's talking credit for Brad Wiggins winning the TDF.

Absolutely barking.

I have a copy of the letter and the reply from Boardman.

You will say I faked it of course, ya nutter.

I don't doubt you spend time harassing 'celebrities'.

The mere fact that you think your incoherent mumblings had even the smallest effect on Wiggins winning the TDF shows a rather worrying level of delusion.

Jon Orange wrote:

You're welcome. Sir David John "Dave" Brailsford, CBE former performance director of British Cycling and currently general manager of Team Sky.

Professor Yianis Pitsiladis Professor of Sport and Exercise Science, Bristol University.

Are you always wrong? Unless there is another Dr. Pitsiladis, the Dr. Pitsiladis that I know is at the University of Brighton. His research is funded by WADA to create better tests to catch drug cheats (detecting the use of EPO). You are honestly telling us that, speaking for Dr. Pitsiladis, that he believes that EPO gives athletes no advantage and consequently EPO shouldn't be banned?

The problem is that you've gotten yourself onto the edge of an idea that you don't understand. You don't need a PhD because you are too smart for those fools, right? You are the most unfortunate kind of stupid - too stupid to know you are stupid. Still, I like a clown, so carry on pretending you know things. The best part of LRC is fools like you. Pure entertainment.

Also - as an example, first line from an abstract from a paper where Dr. Pitsiladis was the first author (British Journal of Sports Medicine, 2014):

"Administration of recombinant human erythropoietin (rHumanEPO) improves sporting performance and hence is frequently subject to abuse by athletes, although rHumanEPO is prohibited by the WADA."

Why is Dr. Pitsiladis writing that EPO improves sporting performance? Why Jon? Why? Has he gone mad?