TINMAN BASHES WEJO's COACH

Ain't it the truth Brother. I still consider Harms 'Dictator for Life'.

What is it a big deal if JK is Hadd?

You guys run Tinman off the boards because he doesn't reveal his identity. Therefore, he is a fraud?

Wait, what was Hadd's real name again?

I find this whole thread a complete character assassination on both men and very distateful.

I do not know JK or care about who he coaches or what he is proported to know, devolop, invent, or otherwise give credit to in his training philosopy. We all borrow from each other stuff that seems to work for individual runners. However, when we do borrow we need to give credit. If this is the central point of Tinman and JK's dissagreement then I'm sure they will work it out.

I do know Tinman both from phone conversations and e-mail. His training theories are extremely well thought out and researched and he does a great job of explaining them to the masses. As I read the training thread about a year ago I was amazed at Tinman's knowledge and his willingness to share his ideas so freely. He must have spent countless hours posting these ideas and even more hours responding to e-mails etc.

One of those e-mails was from me. My daughter runs HS XC and track and her training at school seemed a little stale and rigid. In August of last year I gave Tinman her Pr's from the previous track season and her current training for XC. In one month of Tinman's training she ran a 10:44 two mile XC race in her first race of the season. She eventually went on to finish as an All American at Footlocker Nationals this year. Tinamn's advice on training, warning up and nutrition were all on the mark.

I would also say that the training threads haven't been the same since he quit posting here. Too bad. I think this is generally a good place to share ideas.

Antonio,

I owe you an apology for calling you afraid of the six-packs... I went back to Rubio's thread and see that you did respond (more or less as you've just done so again, saying you couldn't find the paper), so you weren't a thread-coward afterall... :-) I must have missed that over the holidays. Still, the fundamental point of disagreement remains. I've offered up some real data, and am honestly interested in your reply in consideration of that data.

Pete, Pete...

First of all many thanks. You are one of the rare that teachs me something about your language. I never speak with an american citizen directly...i never study that in the school thus imagine how hard is this to write in english.

Second question, I´m gonna ask a runner that i coach that did that Seville half marathon in December 19th with a new Pb 1:14:30.

This gusy that´s a brazilien runner with 36 years old.His max- HR that´s 196, In this half marathon he tokks the Polar. HR average for the complete HM run 168HR. He told me right now by phone that he never go up to 175-175 in any kind of long competition.

I have more examples, from top runners that i coach or did coach but since they dont´use the polar...

He will send me the complete file (in excel format) from that run, If you are intersting you send me any e-mail adress from my own and i will send the file. I can also include his training schedule for that half marathon, and yoiu can see for yourself how he trains.

Need to know that when this average runner start to train by my orientation some 3 years ago, after many marathons and ahlf marathon experineces their PBs are 2:57 and 1:19.

Actually that are 2:39 and 1:13. And he will broke soon the 2:35 mark - i hope so.

About the article i simply follow youir advise "shoot it or...give it". Since there are too many formuals with loghritms all that stuff to determine all that. i´m no able to comment the article, or decribe to you the whole article idea, you see...

It will be a good idea to arrive in Libon the day before the Lisbon HM (saturday) and get the numbers, and sleep in Lisbon that night, wake up and do the run next day. Besides the half have also a mini-marathon - a short a 3.5 miles fun run) that for one reason or another aren´t in shape partitipate. Even our President enters in that fun run. Eventually those of your family that aren´t ready for the half can do that mini-marathon. But you need to get the entry previously. Then after the race you will travel to Algarve, or do as you wish. I promise that if you come to Lisbon concretly i will pay you a lunch or a dinner before you get out, that replaces the "tons of bottles" of beer.

If you send me an e-mail adress i will send you all that site adresses about the fix calendar of most of the the portuguese road runs. But i formly adviese you to participate in Lisbon half.

Antonio Cabral wrote:Pete, Pete...

I never speak with an american citizen directly...

Antonio, as a Canadian, your first comment is similar to me saying you come from the coast of Spain. But I think you knew that, no?

Several points for you, Antonio.

First, why don't you give examples of how I (or JK) interpreted your article wrong? You say I am ridiculous or stupid, but can you say why?

Second, as far as I remember, Hadd last posted on this board in December 2002 or so. After that, he left. I doubt he did this to offend you. I do not ever remember Tinman and Hadd posting on the same thread.

Third, Hadd once posted a question on a thread and JK replied as "Michelle Branch Fan." Then Hadd thanked him for the good information.

Do you think someone would waste their time playing this game, pretending not to know the answer, answering under a different name, then returning to another name and thanking themself?

That makes no logical sense.

I wonder why you do not do the same for others. Do you think Tinman is JK? Is Renato also JK?

MAybe you are JK, Antonio? MAybe you are just pretending and are actually sitting in a computer in Texas?

Do you see how absurd this becomes. You are basically calling people liars.

As I have said to you, there is actually a person who lives in Italy whose name is John Hadd. He spoke about his family on here and I spoke to him by e-mail. He is not John Kellogg, whom I have also spoken to. Completely different people.

Let us wait for Renato to respond on the large Threshold thread about whether he knows Hadd or not.

Pete wrote:

Antonio Cabral wrote:Pete, Pete...

I never speak with an american citizen directly...

Antonio, as a Canadian, your first comment is similar to me saying you come from the coast of Spain. But I think you knew that, no?

Pete

I didn´t imagine from what citizenship you are, before you told me.

Even now after reading in a glance you e-mail i didn´t imagine that you are from Canada. Only after red this post i know.

When i post to people i have no interest really in their identification, if they are tall or don´t if they are great or average athletes, what´s his skin colour, their talent, their profession. I pay the same attention to a king as to a poor man. Of course that someone that would post under "Vitto Carleone" the image i left is from an Italian heritage, nothing more. Citizenships that doesn´t really matters me, i have friends in all continents from very different citizenship.

But if involuntary i did offend you excuse me if you please.

I've bet you Canadian beer each time. Perhaps too subtle a clue. Most long term posters know me as a loopy Canadian who opposed the invasion of Iraq. You didn't really offend me. It's not in my nature.

Much to do about nothing ... William

So Kellogg plagerizes. He's still a good coach.

You crack me up, Peter from Canada!

Pete wrote:

Antonio, as a Canadian, your first comment is similar to me saying you come from the coast of Spain.

I thought Antonio Cabral was Portuguese.

Struggling With Modifiers wrote:

Pete wrote:

Antonio, as a Canadian, your first comment is similar to me saying you come from the coast of Spain.

I thought Antonio Cabral was Portuguese.

That's the whole point

Several points for you, Antonio.

Question: First, why don't you give examples of how I (or JK) interpreted your article wrong? You say I am ridiculous or stupid, but can you say why?

Answer: When did i use the word "stupid"?, You see why you are ridicoulous? Because you want to turn me on my arguments ridiculous using a not fair argument. That "stupid" word is from your responsability, and then you want that i justify your own ridiculous turn on on arguments.

Q: Second, as far as I remember, Hadd last posted on this board in December 2002 or so. After that, he left. I doubt he did this to offend you. I do not ever remember Tinman and Hadd posting on the same thread.

A: That´s an your problem, i remember and that´s when i start post in Let´sRunCom. Next time you don´t remember a think, don+´t ask me, rry to find for yourself, that´s what i do.

Q: Third, Hadd once posted a question on a thread and JK replied as "Michelle Branch Fan." Then Hadd thanked him for the good information.

Do you think someone would waste their time playing this game, pretending not to know the answer, answering under a different name, then returning to another name and thanking themself?

That makes no logical sense.

A:That make sense to me. A man that i don´t doubt who he is is Renato, because he posts as Himself with an identified e-mail. Besides i´ve read in many other places that not LetRunCom who he is. I´ve talk with people that i believe 100% that saw him alive.

Q:I wonder why you do not do the same for others. Do you think Tinman is JK? Is Renato also JK?

MAybe you are JK, Antonio? MAybe you are just pretending and are actually sitting in a computer in Texas?

A: May be but one thing you know, that you aren´t me or you don´t either ?

Q: Do you see how absurd this becomes. You are basically calling people liars.

As I have said to you, there is actually a person who lives in Italy whose name is John Hadd. He spoke about his family on here and I spoke to him by e-mail. He is not John Kellogg, whom I have also spoken to. Completely different people.

Let us wait for Renato to respond on the large Threshold thread about whether he knows Hadd or not

A: who told you that i believe in all that Renato says. I believe in his existence, but i don´t believe in all that he says. If Renato will say, and what he will say that is the living prove to you ok, but don´t try to made me believe in that. This is a prove for you. Go on and ask for yoirself if that´s intersting for you. I repeat - i simply made a comment that for me Hadd is JK, but did you get in trrouble why? If you think that makes no sense. leave it...

If you don't know this, it is Much Ado about Nothing. Not quite sure what you meant by it though.

Oh and Pete, I am sorry, we aren't all pompous, right wing asses.

halfpint10 wrote:

Also, I did coach a cross-country boys team to 2nd place at State. We kick some ass and the kids had minimal talent-----but my team did so well because they were trained correctly.

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Elmira? Minimal talent? You can't be serious. This is the 3rd straight top 9 finish for the program you inherited but obviously don't respect. I hope your kids don't get on this board and see you pat yourself on the back while diminishing their potential. Do you even coach them or does the infamous Tinman?