that guy from Germany wrote:
Genzebe Dibaba just ran 3:55.17 to set a new indoor world record in Karlsruhe, Germany. Over 3 seconds faster than the old WR by Elena Soboleva!
Who received a 2 year doping ban later in the year
that guy from Germany wrote:
Genzebe Dibaba just ran 3:55.17 to set a new indoor world record in Karlsruhe, Germany. Over 3 seconds faster than the old WR by Elena Soboleva!
Who received a 2 year doping ban later in the year
I Sympathize wrote:
For what it's worth, I think his calculator gives some pretty damn good values. He called Mo's 3:28, has said before women's 1500 was due for some faster times, was correct that most good guys running 5000 now can still run 12:4x with a good fast race, the list goes on. Their is lots of evidence that his calculator is pretty damn good
I think issues arise with the conversions and adjustments V3 makes to the race in an effort to think about the optimum result.
People also don't take into account that predictions are generally for a perfect race as well and that happens very, very rarely. So, people here something like Rupp running 12:40 and immediately think no way...but the odds of a perfect race are really low. A more realistic result to expect from Rupp is something like 12:4x mid or high, and I have little reason to doubt Rupp is capable of running such a time.
His "calculator" is good? Gimme a break. All you have to do to make the same predictions is basically, any race where somebody runs x time, if it wasn't perfectly paced, you say they could have run a little bit faster. And you also give them credit for being able to carry that performance over to its equivalent for a shorter or longer distance, based on whether or not the runner is a speed runner or a strength runner. It's not like something mystical going on. If the weather wasn't perfect, or if the track was sub-standard, or whatever, you make slight adjustments. It's not really that interesting. If somebody runs 60-60-60-59 for a 3:59 mile, then that's that. If they run 63-63-63-50 for a 3:59, then they could probably have run faster in some other situation. No sh*t! Who cares?
Why the guy has to be such an a-hole is anybody's guess.[/quote]
For all the I called 3:28 crap what about him calling 27:10+ for Mo when he ran his 26:45. Like a gambler we always hear about the big wins and he conveniently forgets about the losses.
Check out this list and find a clean runner under 3:55 which this is the equivalent of
She is either the best of all time by a long way or doping like the rest
women's 1500 is dopped to the eyeballs..
you basically got to dope to beat the ruskies
as kelly holmes found out..
The threads get confusing when he starts the insults and relentless multiquoting
or maybe it's the antiquated message board design that makes it appears that way
his self-aggrandisement re:fatah etc. is also irritating
farah
World record? Yawn!!! How fast did she run the post-race workout?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
http://www.iaaf.org/records/toplists/middlelong/1500-metres/outdoor/women/seniorCheck out this list and find a clean runner under 3:55 which this is the equivalent of
She is either the best of all time by a long way or doping like the rest
She's running at 1500m what her sister could have had she ever focused on the event.
Who knows how much better she'll get? It could be that she'll be a little quicker outdoors, or she could be like another 1500m/5000m, Eamonn Coghlan, and run her fastest mile/1500m indoors.
I'm very glad to see Soboleva's record gone for good.
Holy crap - this is amazing.
For those people who suspect drugs, especially with how "fresh" she looks after the race, you might as well suspect Steve Cram of doping for his mile WR as well:
"And when we got to the bell, I remember thinking, 'I am feeling so good here.' I just floated around the last lap." [It was done in 53.16!!]
"There are moments in anyone's sporting career where you almost can do no wrong. Running a world record should be one of the most difficult things you ever do in your life. It should be physically on the edge, demanding, and yet, that night for me in Oslo, it seemed like one of the most simplest and easiest things for me to do, physically, my career, I couldn't be any better."
-Steve Cram on his 3:46.32 WR that stood for 8 years
This^^
Seb Coe commented on his first 800m world record, 'it felt like I was on autopilot.'
I second this. There have been lots of WRs where the runner was so elated and did victory dances or runs after, even though tired. And there are others where the runner was simply wasted at the end and couldn't get up. Using "how they look" as a sole indicator for drugs is pretty narrowminded.
Here is what I think of the 1500m indoor record:
* Tracks are good enough indoors now that indoor and outdoor times can be pretty similar. Indoor times in the past lagged behind their outdoor counterparts either because the tracks were crap AND/OR people were more training through indoors. For example, Defar's best 3000m outdoor time is 8:24, her best indoors is 8:23! The fastest non-Chinese indoor 3k time is 8:21. So if someone decided to really focus on indoors and/or figured they could peak twice in a year, I don't see why it is unreasonable to think someone could run a fast time indoors. I mean, both Mottram and Komen were known to be in excellent shape year round (see Mottram's CWG performance in the 5000 or Komen's indoor records or 2M world record in the winter in Australia), so why not Dibaba?
* The womens 1500m record is weak. Suzy Hamilton ran 3:57 twice in 2000 off of far less mileage than the Africans now run (see her book for her training log), I don't think that it is that inconceivable to have someone as sickly talented as a Dibaba sister with a lot more training and freedom from injuries to be 2 seconds faster. Also, I hate to agree with Ventolin that if elder Dibaba and Defar ever dipped down to the 1500, we'd see some revisions to those 1500 lists. Think about college men: take a guy who runs a 3:55 1500, what does he run for the 3k and 5k? And put that next to what Defar and Dibaba have run.
Of course, this isn't saying that her performance couldn't be drug aided, but I don't think the performance is so far fetched that everyone has to jump on the drugs bandwagon immediately.
In all this mess, it's funny people have forgotten that Aregawi announced way back in November that she was going after the 1500m WR in Stockholm (this week):
http://www.iaaf.org/news/news/abeba-aregawi-world-indoor-record-stockholm-x
So Stockholm will be a very interesting meet.
I've refused to engage vent after he hilariously argued with me that the Olympic 10000 would be run under 26:30. Clearly he doesn't have any analytical abilities.
Norge wrote:
I second this. There have been lots of WRs where the runner was so elated and did victory dances or runs after, even though tired. And there are others where the runner was simply wasted at the end and couldn't get up. Using "how they look" as a sole indicator for drugs is pretty narrowminded.
Here is what I think of the 1500m indoor record:
* Tracks are good enough indoors now that indoor and outdoor times can be pretty similar. Indoor times in the past lagged behind their outdoor counterparts either because the tracks were crap AND/OR people were more training through indoors. For example, Defar's best 3000m outdoor time is 8:24, her best indoors is 8:23! The fastest non-Chinese indoor 3k time is 8:21. So if someone decided to really focus on indoors and/or figured they could peak twice in a year, I don't see why it is unreasonable to think someone could run a fast time indoors. I mean, both Mottram and Komen were known to be in excellent shape year round (see Mottram's CWG performance in the 5000 or Komen's indoor records or 2M world record in the winter in Australia), so why not Dibaba?
* The womens 1500m record is weak. Suzy Hamilton ran 3:57 twice in 2000 off of far less mileage than the Africans now run (see her book for her training log), I don't think that it is that inconceivable to have someone as sickly talented as a Dibaba sister with a lot more training and freedom from injuries to be 2 seconds faster. Also, I hate to agree with Ventolin that if elder Dibaba and Defar ever dipped down to the 1500, we'd see some revisions to those 1500 lists. Think about college men: take a guy who runs a 3:55 1500, what does he run for the 3k and 5k? And put that next to what Defar and Dibaba have run.
Of course, this isn't saying that her performance couldn't be drug aided, but I don't think the performance is so far fetched that everyone has to jump on the drugs bandwagon immediately.
In all this mess, it's funny people have forgotten that Aregawi announced way back in November that she was going after the 1500m WR in Stockholm (this week):
http://www.iaaf.org/news/news/abeba-aregawi-world-indoor-record-stockholm-xSo Stockholm will be a very interesting meet.
. don't be silly
Tirunesh and defar wouldn't do any thing at 1500 now
The world record some on for Stockholm though.. Thursday
Not now, but when they were setting their 3k and 5k bests.
Time will tell if this record is clean. I think it is unfair to make accusations without evidence. Dibaba has ideal genes and she is probably running the same mileage as her sister. If this record is clean, it's all in the miles. Lydiard may be old school but it works.
george oscar bluth wrote:
I've refused to engage vent after he hilariously argued with me that the Olympic 10000 would be run under 26:30. Clearly he doesn't have any analytical abilities.
He just meant that it coulda been run that fast and it shoulda etc. etc.
that guy from Germany wrote:
Genzebe Dibaba just ran 3:55.17 to set a new indoor world record in Karlsruhe, Germany. Over 3 seconds faster than the old WR by Elena Soboleva!
As if she's cleaner than the other drug frauds we've seen over the years. Please.
george oscar bluth wrote:
I've refused to engage vent after he hilariously argued with me that the Olympic 10000 would be run under 26:30. Clearly he doesn't have any analytical abilities.
I second this^
Only a fantasist would keep going on about a handful of predictions that are fairly accurate and chose to ignore the other 95% of inaccurate and way out nonsense.
And he should not be allowed to openly flaunt the rules of the board by advertising his calculator all the time on practically every thread he posts on.
He seems to justify silly lines of fit by basically making up times that an athlete could run, particularly over 400m, in order to plug into his abacus.
He has no idea what some of these athletes could run 1 lap in, yet he quotes what they "probably" could run as a fact, at the same time dismissing actual PR's as not being accurate, just so he can justify made up potential ability.
E.g. Cram never ran 400 in sub 48, is on record as saying his best ever tt was 48.1 in 85, yet Ventolin still insists that he knows better than Cram himself, and that he was capable of 46 mid. Absolute hogwash.
Dibaba looks like she can run 3:52 in a perfect race.
That's awfully close to the Chinese. I am skeptical of such performances.
Aregawi : " now I’ll try everything I can to run even faster.”
Try the GW