I think he means that you are behaving religiously in your arugments by being unwilling to budge from your position no matter how sensible another's arugment might be.
I'm not saying I agree with him, I just think that's what he means.
I think he means that you are behaving religiously in your arugments by being unwilling to budge from your position no matter how sensible another's arugment might be.
I'm not saying I agree with him, I just think that's what he means.
Truth Sayer wrote:
As one who has been down this road I can attest to the fact that the immediate "love" of the drug is a bad sign for the young woman.
On the other side of this argument is Flagpole Willy. Whoever he is he presents his position as a religious zealot who knows very little of the reality of the situation.
What?! What's there to know? Dude said his girlfriend tried cocaine a week ago and has used it several times since. I have all the info I need with that brother. You don't need to burn down a building to know that arson is bad.
nc runner wrote:
I think he means that you are behaving religiously in your arugments by being unwilling to budge from your position no matter how sensible another's arugment might be.
I'm not saying I agree with him, I just think that's what he means.
Just between you and me -- yeah, I know.
But, just to comment on the rest of your post, there is NO sensible argument from someone supporting cocaine use in any way. Some things are just like that. Cocaine use is one of them.
6 true statements:
1. Cocaine is a sinister, evil drug that has screwed up far, far too many lives (although not nearly as many as alcohol);
2. Many of the most sinister attributes of cocaine have more to do with the black market than with the drug itself;
3. Many, many people have used cocaine in a less-than-compulsive way, without any significant harm other than the fact that their use props up the sinister black market that surround it, which ultimately leads (typically) all the way back to Columbia;
4. Given our "prohibition"-style drug laws, there is simply no way to use cocaine without playing some role in propping up that black market, with all that that entails;
5. Flagpole Willy has outdone himself (in a negative way) on this thread, which is not an easy thing to do; and
6. For the record, your faithful correspondent has only used coke twice, more than 25 years ago. He found it to be outrageously expensive given the mild euphoria it induces. Moreover, he found the entire scene, at least as it existed at the time, to be a bit unseemly. He imagines, although he cannot be sure, that it still is.
nc runner wrote:
I think he means that you are behaving religiously in your arugments by being unwilling to budge from your position no matter how sensible another's arugment might be.
While the pro-cocaine side is being very understanding?
No, I think that Flagpole is offering pretty sensible arguments, while the pro-tooting crowd is trying to justify their use/former use/etc with bad ad hominem.
Can't offer anything tangible? Just accuse him of being a religious zealot.
I don't even agree with Flagpole, but reading this thread makes me want to.
Religion? wrote:
nc runner wrote:I think he means that you are behaving religiously in your arugments by being unwilling to budge from your position no matter how sensible another's arugment might be.
While the pro-cocaine side is being very understanding?
No, I think that Flagpole is offering pretty sensible arguments, while the pro-tooting crowd is trying to justify their use/former use/etc with bad ad hominem.
Can't offer anything tangible? Just accuse him of being a religious zealot.
I don't even agree with Flagpole, but reading this thread makes me want to.
Don't agree with me generally or don't agree with me on this topic? I might not even agree with myself except that the pro-cocaine users are so ridiculous I have to hit them with a super hard core stance. I think you and I agree more than you think we do.
Flagpole Willy wrote:
Don't agree with me generally or don't agree with me on this topic?
I am not even going to answer that b/c I really do not have an answer...
All I am saying is that people are not providing you with decent arguments. They just want to yell at you and call you names.
Obviously, coke is bad. A lot of things are bad.
I can not think of any reason to do coke, and I cannot think of any reason to defend other's usage of coke.
Richard Perry wrote:
Most of the issues you describe have more to do with the "war on drugs" than cocaine use itself. So no...I don't have my head in the sand.
I think the point is that the two of these are intertwined. You can argue that in the abstract, there is nothing wrong with cocaine use; if the war on drugs did not exist, and thus cocaine could be bought legally and without all the accumuluated violence of the black market, then it would be a-okay. I still don't agree with this; though I am rather inexperienced in matters of cocaine, it does seem to me to be powerful enough drug to make me leery.
At any rate, we are not arguing in an abstract world. You can't separate cocaine use from the system in which it is bought. Yes, this argument can probably be extended to many things I do buy legally, but every time you or your wife forks over cash to your dealer, you are pretty damn directly financing murder, violent crime, and the suffering of communities where people aren't so lucky as you to be such casual cocaine users.
Informed sources are that there may have been a fib or two told within this thread.
Come on...a woman who's used coke occasionally for 30 years? Does that make any sense to anyone?
Ignore the clown and he'll stop posting. Probably just a FPW hater who wanted to get a rise out of him....and it worked.
Bump.
It is less about the drug and more the social meaning of someone who does this.
A little coke is nbd as far as drugs go. Someone who uses hard drugs is a problem. You do not want to hold hands for this part of their life, even if they get over it.
Coke leads you to an addiction but also to an ilk of people who do not care about anything except your money. They will steal and rip you off once they earn your trust. At the very end of the line is an absent father with the connections who isn't tending to his kids because his addiction has taken over and he "needs to deal" to maintain the habit. His monthly coke habit costs $600/month. Groceries for his kids $700. He is probably always on edge and ready to snap because impulse control and erratic behavior are side effects of the drug.
He deals to you and then you become the dealer somewhere else. The process cycles.
Shes cheating on you. Any girl down to do coke is gonna be dtf with the guy she does it with or maybe the dealer she gets it from.
End it. That early in her progression and there's no chance she will quit anytime soon. Expect all-nighters full of strangers and lies. Earlier you end it the sooner you are over her, else deal with the consequences
I wouldn’t mess around with that. Plenty of nice, attractive girls out there who DON’T use it.
Do you want to risk getting pulled over in the car with her when she’s got drugs on her?
Anecdotally, I know 3 users. One who tried it 2x at parties and just wasn’t a big fan. One used it a lot for a couple years on weekends and started getting paranoid and messed up so decided to quit. The other got arrested for driving while on it.
bye Felicia wrote:
I wouldn’t mess around with that. Plenty of nice, attractive girls out there who DON’T use it.
Do you want to risk getting pulled over in the car with her when she’s got drugs on her?
Anecdotally, I know 3 users. One who tried it 2x at parties and just wasn’t a big fan. One used it a lot for a couple years on weekends and started getting paranoid and messed up so decided to quit. The other got arrested for driving while on it.
Do you realize this thread started in 2007? Excellent responses by me of course.
I wonder how the movie ended with the cokehead skank and the enabling beta.
Noyankee wrote:
End it. That early in her progression and there's no chance she will quit anytime soon. Expect all-nighters full of strangers and lies. Earlier you end it the sooner you are over her, else deal with the consequences
Always makes me laugh when people respond with in full sanctimonious seriousness to these ancient threads.
Flagpole wrote:
Do you realize this thread started in 2007? Excellent responses by me of course.
Self-righteous moralizing based on no experience of the world outside your own tiny bubble.
Some things never change.
somebody outta write that b*** wrote:
my girlfriend told me that she tried cocaine for the first time last week. she also told me that she has done it two or three times since. i have no idea what i feel/how i should respond to this.
has anyone ever been in this situation?
what are the side effects of cocaine?
Snort some out of her butthole you prude.