I don't live in Sydney. But here you are doing exactly what I said - playing the man. If I have no arguments - as you claim - then why are you continually exerting yourself to dispute what I say? You are threatened by non-arguments? Yep.
I have arguments. I followed Jakob's training. You have nothing but ignorance, tall poppy syndrome and lies about where you live.
Farah won many more distance global golds than Ingebrigtsen has - or will - because of his finish. Ingebrigtsen has shown he is unlikely to make the podium again in a global championship. His supposed kick isn't going to change that.
Or will? Big words, from a big head, who said Jakob wouldn't get Komen's records.
"Achilles injuries" aren't very big words. But they can make a very big difference to a career - as we have just seen.
Very funny to declare someone as a has been who will never be successful again when they start the season with breaking the indoor 1500 and mile world record in the same race and end the season with running the fastest championship 5000 of their career off a few weeks of proper training
So where did he place in that 5k- and in his main event?
Armstronglivs knows Jakob came in with less than top condition due to injury. Just because he lined up doesn’t mean he was at his best. Someone like Kerr for example, wouldn’t have run at all if he’d missed that much build-up.
Armstronglivs is a bitter old flit, torn between his physical attraction to Jakob and the fact that Jakob likes women and is happily married. It’s that simple. Those truths stated, most people consider a ‘kick’ the acceleration at the very end of the 5k, the last lap. Jakob has never run a 52 last 400 in any race close to 12:58. He is not that kind of racer or runner.
Jakob hasn't run enough 5k races to qualify as the greatest kicker in the event.
Armstronglivs knows Jakob came in with less than top condition due to injury. Just because he lined up doesn’t mean he was at his best. Someone like Kerr for example, wouldn’t have run at all if he’d missed that much build-up.
Armstronglivs is a bitter old flit, torn between his physical attraction to Jakob and the fact that Jakob likes women and is happily married. It’s that simple. Those truths stated, most people consider a ‘kick’ the acceleration at the very end of the 5k, the last lap. Jakob has never run a 52 last 400 in any race close to 12:58. He is not that kind of racer or runner.
Jakob hasn't run enough 5k races to qualify as the greatest kicker in the event.
What we know for sure is that he hasn't run enough 5Ks for us to know if he can run a 52 last 400 in a race close to 12:58. I strongly believe he can, and that he is that kind of racer or runner. A 53.6 in a 13:02 in 2019 when he wasn't half the 5k runner he was in 23 or 24 is some bit of evidence. Though far from complete.
You guys always have to play the man when you encounter opinions you don't like. That's how your arguments always fail.
Your arguments are weak and make no sense. My claim is that Jakob has the greatest kick in 5000m history. He showed that in 2023 and 2024 when he was at his best. The splits I showed in my original post were compared to every other 5000m global championship since 1972. When comparing, he has the fastest last 400, 1000, 2000, and 3000 out of any other runner. You then made irrelevant comparisons to Farah and El Guerrouj. Not a single one of Farah’s finals were finished as fast as Jakob’s. So yes, Farah is more accomplished but he has never demonstrated a kick as fast as Jakob’s. Same for El Guerrouj. His final 400 in Athens was slower than Jakob’s in Budapest and the last 1000, 2000, and 3000 were also slower.
Being the greatest kicker in the event isn't decided by the stopwatch but by who was beaten and how it was done with a finishing kick. El G's kick in Athens beating prime Bekele was greater than anything Ingebrigtsen has ever done. Farah repeatedly outkicking the best in the sport in successive global finals also puts him ahead of Ingebrigtsen - as does Bekele at his best.
Jakob hasn't run enough 5k races to qualify as the greatest kicker in the event.
What we know for sure is that he hasn't run enough 5Ks for us to know if he can run a 52 last 400 in a race close to 12:58. I strongly believe he can, and that he is that kind of racer or runner. A 53.6 in a 13:02 in 2019 when he wasn't half the 5k runner he was in 23 or 24 is some bit of evidence. Though far from complete.
We will never know because he will likely never do it now. I would bet the house, the car and the dog his best years are behind him.
Being the greatest kicker in the event isn't decided by the stopwatch but by who was beaten and how it was done with a finishing kick.
That's just your opinion. Not a fact.
Just as the claims you guys make that he is the greatest kicker is ultimately only your opinion. It can't be proven because he hasn't raced the best before his era.
Your obsessive posting about Jakob shows that's what you are about. No one writes more about him than you.
I come to threads on a running site - as you guys do - to discuss and debate issues about the sport - as you do. But unlike most of you I don't join in the chorus of adulation for any runner. I also post on a variety of threads that have nothing to do with Jakob or running. But your obsession with threads about him apparently blinds you to that.
What we know for sure is that he hasn't run enough 5Ks for us to know if he can run a 52 last 400 in a race close to 12:58. I strongly believe he can, and that he is that kind of racer or runner. A 53.6 in a 13:02 in 2019 when he wasn't half the 5k runner he was in 23 or 24 is some bit of evidence. Though far from complete.
We will never know because he will likely never do it now. I would bet the house, the car and the dog his best years are behind him.
im afraid this is the case too, but I'd also bet the house, the car and the dog that he'll at least show a couple glimmers of his past self over the next few years.
I don't think it's a certainty that he's done being THE GUY, but it's a definite posibility.
At some point, he'd probably just say F it and run through it, not thinking about the future. And he'd still be able to run really well like that until it went to complete shlt.
Your obsessive posting about Jakob shows that's what you are about. No one writes more about him than you.
I come to threads on a running site - as you guys do - to discuss and debate issues about the sport - as you do. But unlike most of you I don't join in the chorus of adulation for any runner. I also post on a variety of threads that have nothing to do with Jakob or running. But your obsession with threads about him apparently blinds you to that.
All you do is bit*h about Jakob and moan about Trump. lol
Jakob hasn't run enough 5k races to qualify as the greatest kicker in the event.
What we know for sure is that he hasn't run enough 5Ks for us to know if he can run a 52 last 400 in a race close to 12:58. I strongly believe he can, and that he is that kind of racer or runner. A 53.6 in a 13:02 in 2019 when he wasn't half the 5k runner he was in 23 or 24 is some bit of evidence. Though far from complete.
I think he can run 52 as well in his 2024 form, but Hocker seems to have a sub-52 in him if you account for the fact that he ran it in lane 2, and he relaxed a little bit in the last 10 meters when he knew he'd got it.
That said, I think Jakob could still possibly have won even with a worse kick through positioning. Many people seem to forget that Jakob is actually a good tactician. His positioning in Budapest 5k was a textbook. In comparison, Hocker is tactically challenged, always out of place.
What we know for sure is that he hasn't run enough 5Ks for us to know if he can run a 52 last 400 in a race close to 12:58. I strongly believe he can, and that he is that kind of racer or runner. A 53.6 in a 13:02 in 2019 when he wasn't half the 5k runner he was in 23 or 24 is some bit of evidence. Though far from complete.
I think he can run 52 as well in his 2024 form, but Hocker seems to have a sub-52 in him if you account for the fact that he ran it in lane 2, and he relaxed a little bit in the last 10 meters when he knew he'd got it.
That said, I think Jakob could still possibly have won even with a worse kick through positioning. Many people seem to forget that Jakob is actually a good tactician. His positioning in Budapest 5k was a textbook. In comparison, Hocker is tactically challenged, always out of place.
ya just looking at this particular race, Jakob would likely have in the ballpark of a full second advantage at the bell.