Jakob has the greatest 5000m kick in history

Have to look at the recent race for this one…

Hocker ran 52 at the end of a sub 13 race. So cope all you want. Jakob wouldn’t have won that race the way the field ran it even if he hadn’t been injured. Jakob would have needed a very different race to be able to win. Because his kick isn’t as good as Hocker’s in that type of race.

You can rationalize it any way you choose but Hocker blasted the last lap, especially the home straight, running 12:58. Jakob has never done that.

As for greatest ever kick… Jakob has a fantastic long finish. But as far as a last lap kick goes, Hocker has an edge.

Jakob has a faster final lap

2008 Bekele still probably the best given the solo leading, heat of Beijing and a sub-13 time.

Not in a sub 13 race he doesn’t.

Off a slower pace

True. Cole won the title in a race far faster than any title race Jakob has ever run.

Is it harder to run 16:00 going 5:09-5:09-5:09 or 16:10 going 5:39-5:39-4:19? Obviously that’s a little exaggerated, but the point is that a fast 1200m leading into the last lap is taxing just like a fast overall pace is. Jakob’s pace was slower overall but his 600 before the 52.4 in Budapest was 5 seconds faster than Coles 600 before his last lap. That matters! The race being slower doesn’t mean that Jakobs 52 is less impressive because you chose to improperly contextualize how the race actually unfolded

Rumour has it that Van Niekerk went on a 4.6km run before he lined up on the blocks in Rio De Janeiro.

So you missed my whole post?

Cole would kick even faster off a slower race

interesting stats. I'd argue that Cole Hocker's final 400m undermines the argument you are trying to make. Jakob has a superb long kick, but has never closed under 53 seconds in a sub 13 race.

One of the most impressive finishes, surprisingly, is Eliud Kipchoge (53.4 last lap in a 12:52 race!).

Smoked by Hocker — that’s what happened in the 5000 final. Nobody gives a * about his injury; it wouldn’t have made a difference. For JEPOB, it’s even more humiliating to get dusted at his peak — glad we didn’t see that.

LONG LIVE THE NEW KING HOCKER

Smoked by Hocker — that’s what happened in the 5000 final. Nobody gives a * about his injury; it wouldn’t have made a difference. For JEPOB, it’s even more humiliating to get dusted at his peak — glad we didn’t see that.
LONG LIVE THE NEW KING HOCKER

Yes at USAs he ran sub-52 the day after the 1500. It was hot and poor conditions so the winning time while slow may overstate how slow it was. Again it’s all whether Jakob can shake Cole before the bell.

So where did Ingebrigtsen's amazing kick get him in the world's?

It is also worth looking at the circumstances of those 5k races, because not every race is made equal.

The two where Jakob ran in the 53 range were races were he had them completely locked up by the homestretch and had nobody to push him at this point. For 2024, I would be interested in the final 600m, or in the 400 from 600m to go to 200m to go, because Hagos pushed from 600m out and stayed in the lead for that 400m stretch. In the homestretch though for both 2022 and 2024, Jakob could have clearly gone faster had he been pushed. But nobody could push him.

The race where Jakob ran in the 52 range for his final lap was the one where Katir was ahead until the final meters, and a better estimation of his true kicking ability. It was also, of course, a race where he was sick, and left it much later than I am sure he was comfortable with. Even still, he closed a second faster.

This is bad even by your standards.

Four seconds behind the guy who supposedly has the best kick of all time who's in the best shape of his life, when he could only start training a few weeks before the race.

it's unknowable because neither has truly raced the same type of race as the other. my feeling is hocker would have a difficult time in a 1309 race thar ends with jakob dropping 6 straight 13 second 100s. he'd have to really commit to the front against jakob, and that's just not something he typically does.