No. I am saying that the coach of that program is the one that gets to decide if he wants the 17 year old 4:04 kid or the 25 year old 3:57 kid. Taxpayers should not get to set the recruiting strategy of coaches.
If the coach is working for a school that accepts tax payer money, than yes he is accountable to the taxpayers to some extent. The taxpayers pay his salary, they pay for the shoes, they pay the entry fees, they pay for the flights and hotels, and most importantly they pay for the scholarships.
If the coach only wants to coach 28 year old Kenyans with no concern for the educational mission of the university, he can get a job for a pro group. I don't think any of us are saying that we need to hold state referendums to decide every roster spot, but there is nothing wrong with setting reasonable policies like age limits and foreign scholarships limits.
You keep talking about this situation like it's some inevitable law of the universe that the NCAA D1 will become all Kenyan. Why? This situation can be easily fixed with some very simple laws and regulations. Texas and Louisiana already have bills in their state houses to this effect.
But they will be coaching pro athletes. Kentucky recently made their athletic department a for profit LLC. Most P4 schools will follow their lead. If the athletic department is now for profit with the goal of making money then taxpayers will most likely not be subsidizing anything. I would also like to see how many big D1 athletic departments use the tax funded money the school recieves instead of their own revenue generated from their various sources (ticket sales, apparel, etc...). Also last I checked the tv deals with ESPN, CBS, and whoever else that the NCAA, the conferences, and the individual school negotiate pay for almost everything. Revenue sharing carries such wieght that all these midmajors are going to bankrupt their athletic departments trying to chase that dollar. According to chat GPT the Power 4 state schools tax funded money only accounts for 5% of the entire athletic budget. So no you are not subsidizing these programs and they should not have to have these arbitrary limits that are being proposed. Kids need to pick schools that are the best fit for them regardless of division or level. If they are foreign dominated then they are probably just not a good fit for you. No one is owed anything.
If the coach is working for a school that accepts tax payer money, than yes he is accountable to the taxpayers to some extent. The taxpayers pay his salary, they pay for the shoes, they pay the entry fees, they pay for the flights and hotels, and most importantly they pay for the scholarships.
If the coach only wants to coach 28 year old Kenyans with no concern for the educational mission of the university, he can get a job for a pro group. I don't think any of us are saying that we need to hold state referendums to decide every roster spot, but there is nothing wrong with setting reasonable policies like age limits and foreign scholarships limits.
You keep talking about this situation like it's some inevitable law of the universe that the NCAA D1 will become all Kenyan. Why? This situation can be easily fixed with some very simple laws and regulations. Texas and Louisiana already have bills in their state houses to this effect.
But they will be coaching pro athletes. Kentucky recently made their athletic department a for profit LLC. Most P4 schools will follow their lead. If the athletic department is now for profit with the goal of making money then taxpayers will most likely not be subsidizing anything. I would also like to see how many big D1 athletic departments use the tax funded money the school recieves instead of their own revenue generated from their various sources (ticket sales, apparel, etc...). Also last I checked the tv deals with ESPN, CBS, and whoever else that the NCAA, the conferences, and the individual school negotiate pay for almost everything. Revenue sharing carries such wieght that all these midmajors are going to bankrupt their athletic departments trying to chase that dollar. According to chat GPT the Power 4 state schools tax funded money only accounts for 5% of the entire athletic budget. So no you are not subsidizing these programs and they should not have to have these arbitrary limits that are being proposed. Kids need to pick schools that are the best fit for them regardless of division or level. If they are foreign dominated then they are probably just not a good fit for you. No one is owed anything.
Even with all this money almost all D1 programs operate in the red and transfer money from the university to the athletic department. This is especially true of non Power 4 but even some of those dont make money.
But they will be coaching pro athletes. Kentucky recently made their athletic department a for profit LLC. Most P4 schools will follow their lead. If the athletic department is now for profit with the goal of making money then taxpayers will most likely not be subsidizing anything. I would also like to see how many big D1 athletic departments use the tax funded money the school recieves instead of their own revenue generated from their various sources (ticket sales, apparel, etc...). Also last I checked the tv deals with ESPN, CBS, and whoever else that the NCAA, the conferences, and the individual school negotiate pay for almost everything. Revenue sharing carries such wieght that all these midmajors are going to bankrupt their athletic departments trying to chase that dollar. According to chat GPT the Power 4 state schools tax funded money only accounts for 5% of the entire athletic budget. So no you are not subsidizing these programs and they should not have to have these arbitrary limits that are being proposed. Kids need to pick schools that are the best fit for them regardless of division or level. If they are foreign dominated then they are probably just not a good fit for you. No one is owed anything.
Even with all this money almost all D1 programs operate in the red and transfer money from the university to the athletic department. This is especially true of non Power 4 but even some of those dont make money.
And UK expects. $31M budget deficit this year in their athletic program.
- NCAA XC/track is no longer going to be about development; it’s about winning only.
- Americans are soft.
1) I know Rita, have coached against her, and spoken with several of her athletes. Is she for everyone? Absolutely not. But damn does she support her own like no other. I admire her for saying what she thinks on a contentious issue and putting her name on it. Braver than you and me. Disagree with the merits of her argument, sure. But let’s be better than attacking women ad hominem for speaking up.
2) Been like this for a few years now. Welcome to the present. Pretty sure the whole debate here is how to get it back to development. Glad you’re catching on.
3) Soft? How many track medals did your country get at the Olympics?
I didn't agree with these points, just that this is what I have gleaned from this thread.
I am not attacking women for speaking out. I am a woman if it matters, although we all know women beat up on each other from time to time. Pretty sure she's only speaking out because it's hurting her program. It's called self-interest.
I didn't run for a college program - but I am interested in how NIL has changed college sports.
I'm American and yes, I think Americans are soft still. There are exceptions, of course.
I didn't agree with these points, just that this is what I have gleaned from this thread.
I am not attacking women for speaking out. I am a woman if it matters, although we all know women beat up on each other from time to time. Pretty sure she's only speaking out because it's hurting her program. It's called self-interest.
I didn't run for a college program - but I am interested in how NIL has changed college sports.
I'm American and yes, I think Americans are soft still. There are exceptions, of course.
One of Rita's committed recruits just won the New Balance Nationals 5k. Rita is doing a damn good job.
She could recruit international athletes as well but she choses to focus on developing Americans. Respect.
I love when people who don't know how to use technology out themselves.
This post was made by someone who was logged into the official runfurman IG account. So they are making a Letsrun burner account to defent themselves.
Whoever is on the runfurman IG account right now might want to start checking what account they're logged into (on IG). Commenting anti-international student-athlete statements on posts is not exactly a good look.
It's honestly the bigger story to me than her opinions that they came on here and made a Letsrun burner account to defend themselves.
I didn't agree with these points, just that this is what I have gleaned from this thread.
I am not attacking women for speaking out. I am a woman if it matters, although we all know women beat up on each other from time to time. Pretty sure she's only speaking out because it's hurting her program. It's called self-interest.
I didn't run for a college program - but I am interested in how NIL has changed college sports.
I'm American and yes, I think Americans are soft still. There are exceptions, of course.
One of Rita's committed recruits just won the New Balance Nationals 5k. Rita is doing a damn good job.
She could recruit international athletes as well but she choses to focus on developing Americans. Respect.
Rita is coaching the Garmers while they are in high school? Doubtful.
One of Rita's committed recruits just won the New Balance Nationals 5k. Rita is doing a damn good job.
She could recruit international athletes as well but she choses to focus on developing Americans. Respect.
Rita is coaching the Garmers while they are in high school? Doubtful.
A junior in high school, who has already committed to run for Rita at Furman, won the 5k. Nobody said she was coaching that girl.
So for any losers saying Rita just needs to work harder and recruit better - she's already successfully recruiting the best high school athletes in the nation.
A junior in high school, who has already committed to run for Rita at Furman, won the 5k. Nobody said she was coaching that girl.
So for any losers saying Rita just needs to work harder and recruit better - she's already successfully recruiting the best high school athletes in the nation.
by my count Furman is getting four of the top ten finishers in that race! all under 16:45.
Rita is coaching the Garmers while they are in high school? Doubtful.
A junior in high school, who has already committed to run for Rita at Furman, won the 5k. Nobody said she was coaching that girl.
So for any losers saying Rita just needs to work harder and recruit better - she's already successfully recruiting the best high school athletes in the nation.
Yeah and then only 1-2 do anything at the college level. Snooze.
Cross country is a niche sport that gets its fan base from those that watch the domestic talent develop and move through the ranks. There seems to be a decreasing interest in the men's side of the sport at the D1 level as the elite teams are dominated by foreign athletes with unknown back stories. Pundits have recently focused their attention on the women's side of the sport because there are more elite teams comprised of domestic talent. Note the lack of threads on this site having anything to do with the men's race for the national championship. Same with the podcasts which focus on the women's side and the rising stars there. If the pace of elite foreign recruitment continues the only people who will be interested are the coaches and the athletic directors after a win. Comparisons have been made to the loaded, global Dodgers roster, but this is a specious argument as we are dealing with college athletics not pro sports. This is still an amateur sport and fans want to see true amateurs participating in it at the D1 level. Fans want to see athletes developed from within their own communities given an opportunity to run at the highest domestic level.
Cross country is a niche sport that gets its fan base from those that watch the domestic talent develop and move through the ranks. There seems to be a decreasing interest in the men's side of the sport at the D1 level as the elite teams are dominated by foreign athletes with unknown back stories. Pundits have recently focused their attention on the women's side of the sport because there are more elite teams comprised of domestic talent. Note the lack of threads on this site having anything to do with the men's race for the national championship. Same with the podcasts which focus on the women's side and the rising stars there. If the pace of elite foreign recruitment continues the only people who will be interested are the coaches and the athletic directors after a win. Comparisons have been made to the loaded, global Dodgers roster, but this is a specious argument as we are dealing with college athletics not pro sports. This is still an amateur sport and fans want to see true amateurs participating in it at the D1 level. Fans want to see athletes developed from within their own communities given an opportunity to run at the highest domestic level.
This is where you’re wrong. College is pro now. High school is the new college.
Cross country is a niche sport that gets its fan base from those that watch the domestic talent develop and move through the ranks. There seems to be a decreasing interest in the men's side of the sport at the D1 level as the elite teams are dominated by foreign athletes with unknown back stories. Pundits have recently focused their attention on the women's side of the sport because there are more elite teams comprised of domestic talent. Note the lack of threads on this site having anything to do with the men's race for the national championship. Same with the podcasts which focus on the women's side and the rising stars there. If the pace of elite foreign recruitment continues the only people who will be interested are the coaches and the athletic directors after a win. Comparisons have been made to the loaded, global Dodgers roster, but this is a specious argument as we are dealing with college athletics not pro sports. This is still an amateur sport and fans want to see true amateurs participating in it at the D1 level. Fans want to see athletes developed from within their own communities given an opportunity to run at the highest domestic level.
I was thinking this just today, asking myself why I had no interest in the men’s race.
