A historic day for transwomen - May 31, 2025 - Biological males win state titles in CA, Oregon and Washington all on same day

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But America elected an educated coastal elite who is terribly out-of-touch with regular people in 2016 and 2024.

It's like you want to be ruled by rich people, so you can't blame the Democrats for this. If someone with a regular job tried to run for office, they would be mocked for being unqualified or seen as a "DEI hire." For instance, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez worked as a bartender, yet she is still labeled a coastal elite.

Regular people include immigrants, women, single parents, gay couples, and transgender youth; all of these groups are just as ordinary as anyone else. In fact, they are often more representative of those holding regular jobs.

I didn't say females who've adopted a trans gender identity and are taking exogenous testosterone for that reason would be barred from sports. Nor would I ever suggest that they should be.

I said specifically that "so-called "trans kids"who are female are still free to compete in girls' sports." And they're free to do so without restriction, which is what most of these kids are doing - just as their adult counterparts like Nikki Hiltz and Quinn are doing in women's sports.

The point I was making is that the hue and cry today and in recent years isn't about "trans kids," "trans athletes" and "sports" in general - it's solely about athletes with unfair advantage getting to compete in female sports because of gender identity claims.

The main reason the hue and cry about "trans" and sports has almost exlcusively been about males with trans gender identities competing and and cleaning up in female sports is because the only "trans people" routinely entering sports compeitions in which they have unfair advantage against others are the male ones.

So-called "trans kids" who are female and are taking exogenous tesosterone to help them look, sound, feel and generally come across as more masculine - which is customarily the aim when medical providers prescribe exogenous T to this group of patients - don't usually wish to participate in girls' sports. If they're on T, they generally want to switch to boys' sports.

If female MS and HS students who've adopted a trans, nonbinary or other gender identity different to their sex tried competing in girls' sports even after starting on exogenous testosterone - particularly at the very high doses that gender clinicians commonly prescribe to females who see themselves as full-blown trans boys/men - then they'd probably get the same negative and often nasty reactions locally, regionally and nationally that Mack Beggs got back in 2017 and 2018.

For those who don't recall what happened with Mack Beggs back in 2017-18

A lot of people in Texas and across the US raised objections when obviously 'roided up Beggs - a female who adopted a trans gender identity at 14 and started taking exogenous testosterone at 15 - began regularly wiping the floor with her female opponents in girls' HS wrestling. Beggs became Texas state championship in girls' HS wrestling two years in a row when Beggs was 17 and 18.

Beggs always maintained she would have preferred to compete in boys wrestling - but that wasn't an option because the regulations governing HS sports in Texas go by the sex stated on students' original birth certicates, and since 1996 Texas rules have specifcally barred female students from boys' wrestling.

(d) Girls may try out for, and if selected, participate on the corresponding boys’ team if the member school does not offer a corresponding girls’ plan for basketball, and/or soccer. Otherwise, a member school that offers any of these plans may not permit boys to participate on the girls’ teams, nor girls to participate on boys’ teams in these activities. UIL considers the following to be corresponding sport athletic plans: boys and girls basketball; boys and girls soccer; boys and girls water polo.

(e) Girls may try out for and, if selected, participate in the Junior High School or the High School Football Plan.

(f) Girls may try out for and, if selected, participate in the Junior High School or High School Baseball Plan, however, girls shall not participate in both baseball and girls’ softball at the same time.

(g) Boys may not wrestle against girls, and vice versa. This prohibition is only applicable when the contest is held in Texas or in any other state that sponsors wrestling programs for both boys and girls.

I can’t stop him but Congress can. They aren’t going to agree with defunding California over a tansgender athlete that didn’t even force anyone back a place.

Rather than the transgender athlete, Trump’s motivation is his seething hatred of California and especially Newsom. He didn’t pick on Oregon.

You phonies all love to revel in your made up victimhood. Then in the same breath you’ll tell us how you’re representative of normalcy. Yes, men believing they can be women and other mentally ill narcissistic deviants sure are are normal. And then trying to attach the deviancies to the plight of Emmett Till…lol

So they can't compete in girls sports, despite being immutably female in your eyes?

There are women that have low testosterone levels and are prescribed HRT to prevent bone density issues in later life. Should they be banned from women's sport because of this? Why is it just the trans people you want to ban?

Women on PEDs (testosterone) shouldn't be able to compete...

The problem with the Biden policy was that it didn't really address the trans issue completely...such as who gets to compete as a female. It was...likely purposefully....general.

I don't think the current administration is doing the bang up job you and your friend would apparently prefer they did is that they are at least as far removed from the "regular" people as any we've seen in politics recently.

Trump's motivation is to distract behind the curtain. He'd otherwise have no interest in HS sports. It's a dog whistle

There is a longstanding pattern on the right of identifying some issue that inflames people's prejudices and then to exploit that to maximum political effect, obscuring whatever grain of truth is at the center. Whether it's willie horton, gay marriage, exaggerating immigration statistics or trans sports. Democrats are aware that republicans are exploiting and inflaming transpanic to sway public opinion in service of a larger agenda. That said, they err grievously, when they engage with the issue as if it's a political distraction instead participating in the debate earnestly.

It's not for anybody to tell somebody else that thing that matters to them should not matter to them. It might be fair to say that it bothers them based on a misinterpretation or prejudice, but to just make arguments that essentially say - the thing that you care about doesn't actually matter - makes true the "elitist" label that republicans smear democrats with even as they advance policies that harm working class people. Working class people are saying this trans sports issue matters to me, and liberals are barely engaging in the discussion at all.

Additionally, it's wrong to dismiss critics of trans participation in women's sports on the basis that it only affects the person who gets second. That completely dismisses the role sports plays in society. Making the free throw, making the team, qualifying for state, making the finals- these are all things that matter tremendously to people. It reminds of when "reformed" dopers in cycling cite the everybody is doing it argument. That arguments ignores the way their choices impact the person who didn't get a spot on the team when it was their dream. That's why Drive to Survive is so damn successful even though it barely focuses on the outcomes of races. That's because who wins is only a small part of what makes sports wonderful for many people. For all we know there was some kid who dreamed of making a CIF final for four years, and was crying behind the bleachers when they missed it by one spot.

One of the athletes won both the high jump and the triple jump. That is a fairly unprecedented accomplishment as far as I'm aware. Yes there are thousands of state titles across the country. But a double win in the enormous state California where there are no divisions based on school size? That's a legendary status athletic accomplishment. The obvious conclusion to draw is that the athlete had an advantage. So the good faith debate is: Is it acceptable that one athlete had an advantage over other the other athletes in the girls division?

To me a good faith argument would be like this: "While we do not yet fully understand the advantage a trans athlete may have in any given sport, it is important that we prioritize acceptance and inclusion during this evolving situation. Trans children and adolescents are among the most vulnerable among us. They are more likely to be the subject of violence and discrimination. When we support them to be themselves, we embrace an environment where it safe for all our children to be who they are and be safe. Some trans athlete may gain an unfair advantage. However, the drawbacks to those rare situations are outweighed by the benefits of making our high schools, and their sports teams, safe supportive environments for trans athletes. We think the benefit of such an environment goes beyond the trans athletes themselves."

If democrats are going to hold this ground it needs to be about standing up for trans rights. When they don't answer questions directly, or choose to point out that republicans are focusing on this issue for political reasons like Kamala did, they harm themselves politically and they do a disservice to trans people. When republicans tried make gay marriage their political meal ticket, democrats engaged them head on and stood on principle. They aren't doing that with this issue. If they aren't going to make this about trans rights, then they need to participate in the discussion over what the rules should be. Because while they obviate and obfuscate - there is a rising tide of bigoted rhetoric that is building upon itself behind this issue, and is going unchecked.

If 1% of the population is evenly distributed to the top, the middle and the bottom, why would that be a problem? The only reason would be that the 1% does not belong with the 99%.

If 1% is overrepresented at the top and underrepresented at the bottom, then it is a problem. But then we need to see the evidence for that beyond the claim "we just know."

Chromosome, gonads and genitalia do not make anyone run faster. It's the secondary sexual characteristics and the hormonal level that make the difference. Why should we base the policy on the former and not the latter?

100% agree on this. They should also proactively propose reasonable compromise like the new pilot policy by CIF. (I would modify that policy so that the trans athlete's placement would not count toward the team standings.)

So I think you should be asking every rightist including Trump, "Why don't you are"?

Rent free for the lunatic haters…

When women are prescribed testosterone for common female health conditions like perimenopause, menopause, premature ovarian failure, surgical removal of the ovaries, osteoporosis, low libido and depression, we’re prescribed T only in the very small doses needed to get our serum T levels in the normal range for healthy females during the time of lives when our ovaries are naturally supposed to be most active. Meaning the so-called “reproductive years” between menarche and menopause.

By contrast, when teenage and adult females take exogenous testosterone to masculinize their bodies because they’ve adopted a manly or “masculine” gender identity, they're customarily prescribed T in the extremely high doses necessary to get their serum T squarely in the normal adult male range. Sometimes they aim for a T level considerably above the top end of normal male range.

The normal range for T in the serum of healthy females age 18-50 is 0.2-1.68 nmol/L .

The normal range of serum T for males age 18 and up is 7.7-29.4 nmol/L.

So in my book, there's no comparison between females who take exogenous testosterone as HRT (hormone replacement therapy) and those who take it as GAHT (gender-affirming hormone treatment).

The purpose of HRT for women is to replace the natural hormones the female body previously made or should make to be in optimal health. The purpose of GAHT for females who identify as trans is to radically alter the natural state of the female body by adding large amounts of androgen hormones - either to approximate the opposite sex, or to come far closer to the hormone profile of the opposite sex than their own sex.

As for barring women and girls who take exogenous T from female sports: I think if a woman is taking low-dose therapeutic exogenous T as HRT to get her levels in the normal natural female range, there should be no issue with her competing in female sports - though she probably be required to get a TUE.

But I support rules and procedures that protect fairness in female sports by placing restrictions or bans on female athletes who take or have taken exogenous T or other androgens to bring their levels above the normal female range to a point where they’d have an unfair advantage.

I also think it should go without saying that girls and women who’ve chosen to take exogenous T at such high doses that their serum level is in the normal male range have no place in girls’ and women’s sports any more. They can compete in the men’s/open category or in new categories like the “nonbinary transmasculine” runner Cal Calamia is doing.

Also, female athletes who've adopted a trans gender identity have shown they're perfectly capapble of holding off on altering their hormone profiles until they're ready to give up competing in the girls/women's categry altogether. That's what Iszac Henig and many others in Henig's shoes have done. Somehow a whole slew of female athletes who identify as trans have been able to accept that not everyone gets everything they want all the time - and they managed to do that whilst soldiering on with dignity and grace and without losing their minds, taking their lives, or creating huge problems for other people.

Since females with trans gender identities can show this kind of restraint, reasonableness and level of good sportsmanship, I've gotta wonder: how come that's so hard for so many of the males?

First off get the terminology right:

*A transgender girl, or trans woman, is a woman who was assigned male at birth, but identifies as female. She has a female gender identity and may experience gender dysphoria (discomfort or distress due to the mismatch between her gender identity and the sex she was assigned at birth). Many transgender women choose to undergo gender-affirming care, which may include hormone therapy, surgery, or other treatments to align their physical body with their gender identity.

*A transgender man is a person who was assigned female at birth but identifies as a man. They may also be referred to as a trans man, FTM (female-to-male), or transmasculine. Some transgender people identify as neither male nor female, or as a combination of male and female.

But whether you want to use the label trans girl which the right wing won't do or biological male saying that they are cleaning up is a ridiculous statement.

Trans women or as you say biological males were cleared to compete in the Olympics and internationally in 2004 and were authorized to compete from 2004 until 2022. If they were to clean up it would not be in high school sports it would be at the international level where they could make money.

In that 18 years was 5 Olympic Cycles, 10 world championship or similar cycles, and a boat load of diamond league meats every years as well as national championship level meets, etc, not to forget major marathons, road races etc.

There where literally thousands of opportunities for a trans women/biological male to beat a woman in an event in track and field or road running in those 18 years.

What a right winger will never admit but anyone with a half a brain can research, a trans woman/biological male has never won an olympic or national or world championship medal and in those 18 years only one trans woman even made it to the olympics, and not in track, but in weight lifting and she no-lifted, could not even lift the opening weight.
Laurel Hubbard, an openly transgender female weightlifter, experienced three no-lifts during her snatch attempts at the Tokyo Olympics. She was competing in the women's +87kg weightlifting event and was eliminated from the competition with a "Did Not Finish" (DNF) before the clean and jerk portion. and in running no trans woman ever qualified for the olympics.

And only 1 even qualified for an Olympic Trials and that was Megan Youngren in the 2020 Women's Marathon Olympic Trials and did she dominate and finish in the top 3, well no, she finished 230th.

There has never been a trans woman/biological at a world class level in running or track and field on the planet.

In college there were 238,000 women competing in sports and only 10 trans women and in high school for instance approximately 3.42 million girls participated in high school sports in the United States and we get to hear about 2 or 3 trans girls each year.

The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence of any domination at any level, but people who hate others never need facts or truth and that has been apparent in the history throughout this country. It did not matter about race or gender or religion or ethnicity. The dominate race of that society has always used hate and propaganda to destroy other cultures.

The reason 99% of the people on this site follow trump is he is calling anything by black people or hispanic people or native America people DEI and useless and anything by white people honorable.

How can truth ever be respected by a person who was found resp for s, assaulting a woman in a civil court, has multiple other felonies and is on a vengeance tour, and this site is full of those who apparently have the same values.

My dude, women who take t for ANY reason ARE banned from competing in sports. There is no TUE for testosterone.

Even if there were, taking hormones as an attempt to appear as the opposite sex is not a medical need.