Elite Athletes you're CONVINCED are clean

Way too many athletes named in this thread a B-tier and would either barely be tested, or aren't troubling the medals anyway. A more interesting question is which of the top 6 athletes in each event at the Olympics do you think are definitely clean?

Men:

1500 - Nuguse, Kerr, Kessler

800 - lol

5000 - Fisher

10000 - Fisher

Women:

1500 - Kipyegon, Muir

800 - Hodgkinson, Maloney

5000 - Kipyegon

10000 - lol

Those are the ones I'm 99% sure are clean. Others are more than likely to be clean (e.g. Hocker, Jakob, Cheptegei) but I have a few more doubts

Meserat defar and T. Dibaba were natural imo.

This discussion topic makes me sad and kind of frustrated, as a track & field fan. It has really opened my eyes about something. - ...I'd never properly considered doping vs. non-doping athletes/people...in that: With nearly every star, past and present, using drugs...it pretty much inherently means that they are BAD people. It's inescapable. ...they cheat their competitors in various ways...but they also trick the millions of fans of the sport. - and that is definitely BAD, bad personalities. Flawed personalities. ...HENCE: we rarely get to see, the nice, honest, funny, intelligent, fair athletes - because they are not cheating and don't make it to the public eye. ...all we really have as fans, is a cesspool of sly, ambitious drug-users to follow. ...........buuuuuuuut, I love me some world records...

SO, thank you Ms. Slupianek for all the entertainment......you cheating cow.

To answer your question - doping is known to be widespread in the sport and at the top levels. So a sense of shame - if they have one - doesn't stop elite athletes from doping. Houlihan was found to have intentionally doped, despite her denial and poor excuse. Not much of a sense of shame on display there.

All of those are too good to be clean (some more than others). I am over 99% sure they are all dirty. My litmus test there is always the question: what could they run if doped (assuming clean now)?

E.g., picking your 1st and last name of that list:

1 - has run 3:43.97. Even if doping helps only 2% ---> 4.5 s -> 3:39.29

2 - has run 3:49.04. Even if doping helps only 2% ---> 4.6 s -> 3:44.42

No one, not even the most hardcore doper ever, has come close to those times...

This thread is useless without Arop.

Terrible post.

Arop is so obviously clean. More so than Hodgkinson and Maloney lolololol.

I don't think Kessler is clean. There's something about him that feels off - just the way he acts.

Arop and maybe Hoppel are likely clean. Kipyegon isn't clean - Bolt level of dominance. In men's actual distance (not mid-distance) I think Cheptegei and Moh Ahmed might be clean. Fisher probably clean as well. Don't think Maloney is clean. the rest on your list I agree with - at least more likely than not to be clean.

His improvement from his last race before Paris to his insane negative split in the Paris final makes him the most suspicious two-lapper of them all.

The thing about Kipyegon is that she has been sh1t hot since she was a kid. If she's been on the sauce, she's been doing it a long time. The idea that she could do that and not suffer negative side effects, or be caught out is extraordinary.

Richard Ringer - European Marathon Champion

Nick Willis

I'd be willing to bet you my car that CJ Albertson is clean. Almost equally as confident in Mantz and Young.

After meeting Clayton Young - there is no way that guy is doping. He's so so nice, it would be insane for him to be injecting himself with EPO lol

Andreas Almgren

Andreas Kramer

Thats it.

Being nice has nothing to do with sticking a needle in your butt. That being said, he really isn’t fast enough that you would expect doping.

For a fun question: how about all those fast Japanese ha/college kids? All the rando Europeans running 2:06s?

Extraordinary, based on what? It's well established that microdosers can only be caught if they screw up. Sophisticated doping is literally uncatchable.

And side effects? Nobody said she'd dope like the East Germans. And she is just 31. Even Kratchvilova seems still to be healthy in her 70s.

Overall, I feel sorry for Jarmila, but she can't be 100% mentally healthy...to ruin prospects of a world record in the 800 meters for generations of women...and to more recently protest the idea her record being cancelled. Of course there are many more cheats at the top of the 800 list...but she's the top top one.

P.S. ...always wondered about her 800 world record. ...since the story goes that she ran 800, rather than shorter distance, at the Munich meet, due to injury niggle...and supposedly not really trying for a world record. ...It is not cheating...but sounds like it must be a lie. ...accidentally runs greatest of all women's world records, with a niggle...

She gets deserved reverence for her exhausting schedule at the 1983 World Championships...but considering her form at the time...just imagine if she only had to run the final of the 800 and pushed herself. ...feel like she could have taken a further chunk off her record. ...but obviously still ran 3rd fastest time ever ...and won.

...every year it becomes more surreal that those women's world records aren't deleted. ...I remember watching last year's Olympics and the 400 for women...and there in the corner of the screen was 47.60. ...a time from about 40 years prior, that was obviously run by a chronic drug user. It's quite bizarre when you think about it.