Y’all can eat crow! 3:48.2 with Sahlman upsetting his rhythm multiple times.
Far from a perfect ride.
yeah, he had to make a big move around Sahlman around 1000m and then again around 1450m with less resistance from Fogg before taking the lead from Farken with 100m to go into the final straight.
This progression is bonkers
From #16 (tied) last year in NCAA indoor ranking 3:54.62 (Feb 9/24) to #3 in the world (all time)
yeah, he had to make a big move around Sahlman around 1000m and then again around 1450m with less resistance from Fogg before taking the lead from Farken with 100m to go into the final straight.
This progression is bonkers
From #16 (tied) last year in NCAA indoor ranking 3:54.62 (Feb 9/24) to #3 in the world (all time)
…in less than 1 year
It’s almost unbelievable. In one year he went from a good college runner to one of the best in the history of the mile? How are the burritos in Raleigh?
From #16 (tied) last year in NCAA indoor ranking 3:54.62 (Feb 9/24) to #3 in the world (all time)
…in less than 1 year
It’s almost unbelievable. In one year he went from a good college runner to one of the best in the history of the mile? How are the burritos in Raleigh?
Chapel Hill, not Raleigh.
And wow - shocker, people can improve at different rates! This kid has always been talented. Closed a 7:46 3k in 25 2 years ago, and 5 years ago ran an indoor 3200 in 9:00 closing in 27
You said "subtract". 3:48 minus 5 seconds is 3:43.
In this context, it means a slower time. Thus, 4-5 seconds slower.
I think Johnny G/Kejelcha are the only guys with BU mile PBs that weren’t replicated outdoors. And Kejelcha ran close-ish (1.4 not 4-5s) at Millrose on the old Armory surface. If you can dig up more names maybe you have a case, but it is thin. Old standbys like Prakel/Atkin no longer work.
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we as the running community really need a word for "subtraction in the opposite direction", or subtracting a negative number. it would really add to these conversations.
It’s almost unbelievable. In one year he went from a good college runner to one of the best in the history of the mile? How are the burritos in Raleigh?
Chapel Hill, not Raleigh.
And wow - shocker, people can improve at different rates! This kid has always been talented. Closed a 7:46 3k in 25 2 years ago, and 5 years ago ran an indoor 3200 in 9:00 closing in 27
It’s almost unbelievable. In one year he went from a good college runner to one of the best in the history of the mile? How are the burritos in Raleigh?
He ran 4:11 for a full mile as a soph in HS before supershoes, he's always been super talented. I wanna say 4:07 mile senior year. He broke 4 as a freshman in college, I think ran 3:55 as a soph, 3:35 (~3:52 mile equiv) as a junior, and now 3:48. Pretty consistently a few seconds off every year. I also distinctly remember him being like half a lap ahead of the field at my first track meet in 8th grade. Plus his dad was a good runner in his own right (and I think owns a running store or something), so he's got the genes to run well.
Around when on that constant progression over the last 6 years (junior year was covid year) do you propose he started doping?
Good call, thought Strand was capable of this too and am a fan of both, but remember Hobbs is younger and hasn't ran a mile yet this year :)
Thanks :)
Hobbs is only a few months younger, they both graduated in 2021. Hobbs is definitely more talented though, he ran 3:35 (off like 2 years running) when Strand was running like 4:07. I'm still not backing down on my Hobbs winning Gold in 2028 prediction, but if Strand is the one to make me wrong, I couldn't be happier.
Strand is not a pure miler; more of a Teare type (range is 1500-5k with best distance probably being 3000m). 3:35.5 and 8th in XC Nats means he's just a flat out talented kid who has toughness and heart to hang in when the pain comes.
The discussion of his "capability" is not worth having. What will he, and the rest, actually run at BU? That's the question. As I have said, I think he goes 3:52.5 or a few tenths faster. Ultimately he will not do his best work at a mile (IMO) but he'll have success there because he's the kind of guy that shows up. Looks like he enjoys the sport.
Sahlman has surprised me in the past. Maybe he will here. I'm not expecting a lot from him. Betters his 3:53.17 PR? Not sure but I hope so.
,,, guess it turns out running 7:30 means you can run faster than 3:52!
I never saw 3:48.32 coming. Strand is a far better miler than I ever imagined. I still think he's probably best suited at 3k, but he's proven his greatness at the shorter distance.
Not a guy you would want to face at a mile, 3000m or even 1500 and 5000m. In fact, Strand would pose a big threat to Fisher and Teare at 5000m. He could sit back on the rail, do no work, and try to rip the last 300m.
Very impressed with Strand. Was hoping for a little better from Sahlman, but still not a bad result.
For Sahlman he was very committed to fending off Strand surges and keeping an aggressive position. Hindsight’s 20-20 but letting Strand go ahead might’ve conceded that battle but led to a 3:51high/3:52low. It was good racing instincts though and important for a non-time trial skill so I’d say it’s totally fine. He’ll be fitter in the future, but today he was working to fend off Strand at a hard pace.
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Very impressed with Strand. Was hoping for a little better from Sahlman, but still not a bad result.
For Sahlman he was very committed to fending off Strand surges and keeping an aggressive position. Hindsight’s 20-20 but letting Strand go ahead might’ve conceded that battle but led to a 3:51high/3:52low. It was good racing instincts though and important for a non-time trial skill so I’d say it’s totally fine. He’ll be fitter in the future, but today he was working to fend off Strand at a hard pace.
Sahlman used a lot of energy making multiple surges to stop Strand from passing. when Strand finally did pass Sahlman had nothing left. i think if Sahlman lets Strand pass the first time he made a surge he could have stayed attached and run sub 3:50.
last year when Sahlman won he seemed to not care about anything or anyone except his own game plan. had a monster final lap. this year I think he had Strand on his mind too much and it cost him. oh well, I forget how young he is and these types of races will only help.
King, I commend you for admitting you were wrong. Strand just crushed that. Goes to show that last pre-race interviews from coach or athlete never mean anything in this sport. We're definitely in another era. Athletes are confident that they can run incredible times and the shoes help make it so. But everyone else has the shoes and the tracks and nonetheless he crushed the college record by two seconds! And this after crushing the 3k CR by six! The clincher for me was that he had improved remarkably in xc, finishing eighth in a great field. Sahlman, who was in the 60s at NCAA xc this year, hadn't done anything over-distance and his under-distance races were not much beyond what he'd done before, so I think he is still a bit away from a real mile breakthrough.
If Sahlman spent energy fighting off Strand, and that cost him time, the same is true of Strand, who himself said that he wasted energy trying to get past Sahlman multiple times that could have been better spent on one surge. So, Strand thinks he has a bit more in the tank despite that breakthrough. But after the race, as we hear in his interview, Farken wisely, I think, told him to be careful about going after another huge pr next week and to prioritize the bigger championship races down the road.
Do you not see how close a prediction 13 flat would have been after 7:28? But everyone was disappointed by the run and it seemed Nuguse's endurance didn't really go to 5000m at the time. Strand's just completed a good xc season, so his likely would go to 5000m, but here we're not talking about whether his endurance goes to 5000m but whether he can step down from 3k to mile and run a commensurate time. Considering that he's a miler known for his kick, that he ran 7:30 before much "speedwork," off of xc fitness and one sharpening workout, that he dropped a ton of time at 3k, and that he's already run 3:35 (3:35.0 converts to 3:52.2), I don't see 3:50 as out there at all for him. A 2:22 1k target would put him in great position to beat it. I calculate that as 3:48.5 mile pace!
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