The rulebook has been posted multiple times. It states meets that don't follow the rules can have marks thrown out. How dumb would you feel if your daughters marks got thrown out and don't count because a meet didn't follow the rules.
Why stop at just the mile record? If he can run 8:13, he might as well set the 3K record too. Looks like he'll have plenty of Oles and Gophers to kick down. It appears the Gophers coach went to the Power school of seed inflation. It will be fun to see Mo grab two victories against the bluebloods of Minnesota. Wonder if he'll be able to lap the field in the 3K?
Why stop at just the mile record? If he can run 8:13, he might as well set the 3K record too. Looks like he'll have plenty of Oles and Gophers to kick down. It appears the Gophers coach went to the Power school of seed inflation. It will be fun to see Mo grab two victories against the bluebloods of Minnesota. Wonder if he'll be able to lap the field in the 3K?
U races got more interesting with the Olaf additions. Though I highly doubt they get 3 8:17s in the 3k or 4:10s in the mile. Does look like they are going for it though.
Still confused about the supposed feud between Power/Larson… top Olaf guys seem to be in the same races as Mo when they go for fast times while Lars/Calvin/Gabe etc just go wandering about the Midwest.
I'm sure Mo and the Olaf guys are double entered to see the best races. I don't know why the MIAC coaches don't all try to run their top athletes together instead of traveling everywhere. Lars and Calvin going to La Crosse as the top seeds is somewhat of a head scratcher, but southern Wisconsin will is a beach vacation when you train in Duluth.
4:10 might be a reach, but Hartney ran 3:50.9 and Coffey ran 3:51.1 last year, so sub 4:10 could/should be in the cards. A 4:13 seed doesn't seem too ambitious.
It's possible the Olaf milers are doubling back to pace Turlington/Bati. Turlington was an XC All-American and just ran 14:23. He's not Mo, but he'd be talked up as one of the top runners on the thread if Mo wasn't around.
Why do the Oles need so many pacers? The has become an epidemic.
If you're fast enough, just do the work on your own and qualify. I guess in the end it benefits Mo's racing style, especially if he is doubling. I believe Oles have both the Mile and 3K record, so it will be hilarious to see them lose all their program records in month span.
Outdoor will be harder for him to get the mile/1500 records but I'm sure he'll shatter the longer distances and nobody will talk about Phil/Power anymore.
So, you're just going to keep hammering this point that St Olaf is doing seeding wrong, even though it's clear in the rule book they are not.
There is no ambiguity in how the rules are written. Just because a D1 school doesn't follow them, doesn't mean that they are doing it properly.
Failure to follow proper meet procedures can result in marks being removed from TFFRS and the national list. It's been done before and it will happen again. Maybe because of this rule, maybe not (probably not). But it is possible.
I understand people don't like change, and personally, I think the need seeding procedures are terrible, and does not benefit the athletes in anything but the largest championship meets.
I would suggest if you don't like the rule you complain to the NCAA, not complain about the people not following them.
Faltsek hopping into the mile helps too. His 4:09 was run on a banked track, so you'll have a lot of guys trying to run 4:12-4:15. Perfect scenario for Mo.
Faltsek hopping into the mile helps too. His 4:09 was run on a banked track, so you'll have a lot of guys trying to run 4:12-4:15. Perfect scenario for Mo.
Looks like Turlington and Bati are out of the mile. Guessing mortal enemies Power and Larson decided to have them work together for nationals qualifiers in the 3k.
The hatred between them is palpable /s…
(I’m not in the know at all just looking at entry lists. Few days ago it didn’t look like there was much competition in the 3k so guessing Mo was going to just push the 3k, looks like they have enough people now to make a serious run at sub 8:15)
Faltsek hopping into the mile helps too. His 4:09 was run on a banked track, so you'll have a lot of guys trying to run 4:12-4:15. Perfect scenario for Mo.
Looks like Turlington and Bati are out of the mile. Guessing mortal enemies Power and Larson decided to have them work together for nationals qualifiers in the 3k.
The hatred between them is palpable /s…
(I’m not in the know at all just looking at entry lists. Few days ago it didn’t look like there was much competition in the 3k so guessing Mo was going to just push the 3k, looks like they have enough people now to make a serious run at sub 8:15)
Why is Bati entered slower than his PR from a few weeks ago? And I don't think Turlington was ever entered in the mile. Despite their success with the longer events, the Oles haven't run anything fast in the mile in over a decade.
What are you even talking about? Look at TFRRS. Bati's PR is 8:18.21, which he ran at the U of MN two weeks ago. His seed time for this weekend is 8:18.21.
Another example of Power inexplicably seeding inferior runners one second faster than Mo. The guy needs a psychologist.
In other news, the NCAA released updated seeding rules that show Power seeded the 5000m incorrectly. It's a good thing St. Olaf isn't hosting the MIC meet.
Gopher heat sheets are u., again proving that the Ole seeding rules are merely suggested guidelines and not needed for meets. They are the flagship D1 institution. There is no scenario where they are no better equipped to correctly and efficiently run a meet than tiny St. Olaf.
Gopher heat sheets are u., again proving that the Ole seeding rules are merely suggested guidelines and not needed for meets. They are the flagship D1 institution. There is no scenario where they are no better equipped to correctly and efficiently run a meet than tiny St. Olaf.
I’m going to guess by now Power realizes he misinterpreted the new seedings. If he believed his way of seeding was the only legal way he would not have raced his squad at St. John’s or enter them at the Gopher meet. No coach wants their athletes DQ’ed for racing in illegal meets. People make mistakes. Hopefully he learns from it.
Gopher heat sheets are u., again proving that the Ole seeding rules are merely suggested guidelines and not needed for meets. They are the flagship D1 institution. There is no scenario where they are no better equipped to correctly and efficiently run a meet than tiny St. Olaf.
I’m going to guess by now Power realizes he misinterpreted the new seedings. If he believed his way of seeding was the only legal way he would not have raced his squad at St. John’s or enter them at the Gopher meet. No coach wants their athletes DQ’ed for racing in illegal meets. People make mistakes. Hopefully he learns from it.
You do realize that in practice if a meet director placed athletes in heats incorrectly, only the host schools athletes would likely face any consequences.
A visiting school has no control, the only way there would be an issue is if someone filed a complaint and the NCAA had to review it. Just based on the hatred he receives here (warranted or not I don’t know, I’m just an old alum of a different Miac school with no ties) Power probably needed to be especially careful in how he seeded because otherwise some bitter person would complain and his athletes times could be disqualified.
No other coach/school is probably very worried about it.
Also, who cares about seed times? obvious intention is for a couple of the Olaf kids to come back after the mile to pace Turlington/Skemp/Bati in the 3k so they were seeded to be with that heat at probably the minimum pace needed to have a shot at qualifying for nationals. Nice to see Nick and Power working together to get their athletes to nationals.
No way Power is trying to help Bati. The Oles are in the race to pace Turlington and Skemp only. Power knows Bati will use them for a K or maybe even a mile and drop them. He’s not looking to help another team out. Not his style.
Maybe a better question is why is the University of Minnesota not following the new rules. Some of their seeding doesn't make sense at all regardless of which rules they are using. The short sprints aren't even in the right lanes.
In spending five minutes on athletic.net to look at heat sheets of other meets, I see the following schools following the new rules:
Carleton, Minnesota State, Nebraska, Michigan, and Wartburg
Interestingly, North Dakota State isn't following them.
But if Michigan, a true track power is following these rules, then surely a direct competitor like Minnesota would want to follow the same system. Maybe a more important question is what seeding method St. John's will use for the MIAC championship. I believe schools from other conferences could challenge any national level marks. I'd hate to see Parent, Liu, and others have fast marks disqualified.