Name one 1500 runner who at 23 has had better results, with one Olympic gold, two Worlds silvers, a bunch of European and Diamond League golds, never having finished lower than fourth in his senior career and the numerous fast times he's run.
Name a contender for GOAT who lost three consecutive global championship finals (didn't even place in their last one) in their favoured event.
Now contradict the facts that have been presented to you.
Name a contender for GOAT who lost three consecutive global championship finals (didn't even place in their last one) in their favoured event.
Ron Clarke 5000 + 10000
1956 OG + 1958 CG + 1960 OG (age 19 - age 23): dnq
1962 CG: 2 + dnf
1964 OG: 9 + 3 (+9 Marathon)
1966 CG: 2 + 2 (+ dnf Marathon)
1968 OG: 5 + 6
1970 CG: 5 + 2
Sebastian Coe 800m
1978 EC: 3
1980 OG: 2
1982 EC: 2
1983 WC: dnq
1984 OG: 2
1986 EC: 1
1987 WC: dnq
1988 OG: dnq
1990 CG: 6
Ron Clarke isn't a contender for GOAT because he didn't win an Olympic gold. Coe is a contender - but when I said global championship finals that doesn't mean EC or CG championships. Jakob has lost 3 consecutive global championship titles over the 1500. Coe was certainly a 1500 runner and won consecutive Olympic titles in the event. Jakob cannot match that. Coe also held the world records in championship distances. Jakob doesn't. Ovett is not contender for GOAT as he didn't win a 1500 Olympic title and he wasn't the best 800 runner of his era.
As other threads have postulated, the best contenders for distance GOAT are Geb and Bekele. So far, when it comes to winning - and not losing - global championship titles Farah is ahead of Ingebrigtsen. But then, so was the unbeaten (over his specialist distance) Herb Elliott.
1956 OG + 1958 CG + 1960 OG (age 19 - age 23): dnq
1962 CG: 2 + dnf
1964 OG: 9 + 3 (+9 Marathon)
1966 CG: 2 + 2 (+ dnf Marathon)
1968 OG: 5 + 6
1970 CG: 5 + 2
Sebastian Coe 800m
1978 EC: 3
1980 OG: 2
1982 EC: 2
1983 WC: dnq
1984 OG: 2
1986 EC: 1
1987 WC: dnq
1988 OG: dnq
1990 CG: 6
Ron Clarke isn't a contender for GOAT because he didn't win an Olympic gold. Coe is a contender - but when I said global championship finals that doesn't mean EC or CG championships. Jakob has lost 3 consecutive global championship titles over the 1500. Coe was certainly a 1500 runner and won consecutive Olympic titles in the event. Jakob cannot match that. Coe also held the world records in championship distances. Jakob doesn't. Ovett is not contender for GOAT as he didn't win a 1500 Olympic title and he wasn't the best 800 runner of his era.
As other threads have postulated, the best contenders for distance GOAT are Geb and Bekele. So far, when it comes to winning - and not losing - global championship titles Farah is ahead of Ingebrigtsen. But then, so was the unbeaten (over his specialist distance) Herb Elliott.
I KNEW he will come up with this. EC and CG are not global! Not to beat in it's pure stupidity.
Coe's championship record at his main distance is much weaker than Ingebrigtsen's at 1500m.
Same for Ovett at 1500m.
1500m is not Ingebrigtsen's best distance. He tries to get the maximum out of it when young. But he is better over 3000m and 5000m. And probably will be in the 10000m.
Yes, Clarke is not a contender.
At the moment, Ingebrigtsen has good chances to become GOAT distance runner. His 1500m success is what seperates him from Gebrselassie and Bekele.
Ron Clarke isn't a contender for GOAT because he didn't win an Olympic gold. Coe is a contender - but when I said global championship finals that doesn't mean EC or CG championships. Jakob has lost 3 consecutive global championship titles over the 1500. Coe was certainly a 1500 runner and won consecutive Olympic titles in the event. Jakob cannot match that. Coe also held the world records in championship distances. Jakob doesn't. Ovett is not contender for GOAT as he didn't win a 1500 Olympic title and he wasn't the best 800 runner of his era.
As other threads have postulated, the best contenders for distance GOAT are Geb and Bekele. So far, when it comes to winning - and not losing - global championship titles Farah is ahead of Ingebrigtsen. But then, so was the unbeaten (over his specialist distance) Herb Elliott.
I KNEW he will come up with this. EC and CG are not global! Not to beat in it's pure stupidity.
Coe's championship record at his main distance is much weaker than Ingebrigtsen's at 1500m.
Same for Ovett at 1500m.
1500m is not Ingebrigtsen's best distance. He tries to get the maximum out of it when young. But he is better over 3000m and 5000m. And probably will be in the 10000m.
Yes, Clarke is not a contender.
At the moment, Ingebrigtsen has good chances to become GOAT distance runner. His 1500m success is what seperates him from Gebrselassie and Bekele.
So how are championships confined to Europe and the British Commonwealth "global", since the rest of the world is excluded?
Coe has two Olympic 1500 golds, achieved consecutively. Jakob doesn't and never will. I lost interest in the rest of your comment after that.
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But in his weakest distance, he already won the Olympic gold, as well as coming well within 1 sec of the WR. Something Bekele and Geb had never done.
And even though it isn't his focus right now, he has already won the 5k championship three times in a row, unbeaten since 2021, and the gap has even been widening between him and the field. Just take a look at Paris 5k this year, compared to say Eugene.
Btw, even Bekele wasn't that dominant over the 5k. In fact in his whole career, he didn't win it that much and actually win less than a 23 years old Jakob(lost in 03,04, DNS in 05 and 07. won in Beijing 08&Berlin 09, DNS in 2011)
I would say he's well on his way to be the GOAT. Now he needs to get that WR (actually the hardest part for him). Then move up and destroy the 5k&10k as well as getting the WRs in both, and there would be a strong case for him.
Aregawi is about 5 seconds slower than Ingebrigtsen for 15000m. If they slowed down at the same rate, Ingebrigtsen would beat him by 10 second for 3000m, but it was less than 4 seconds. That trend will continue. They might be about even for 5000m, but Aregawi would have a significant edge for 10000.
It was the same thing for Centrowitz Sr. and Salazar at Pre in 1982. Centrowitz was also about 5 seconds faster than Salazar for 1500m, and at Pre in 1982, he out-kicked him to set a 5000m AR, but there is no way he could have kept up for 10000m. The other Centro ran about 13:00, but he couldn’t have run a comparable 27:00.
The fallacy in your post is that you assume that Aregawi has worked as hard in the 1500m as Jakob who has raced hundreds of it(including the ones that are made for fast time with wavelight and pacers), peaked for it specifically every single year.
You’re making the same assumption, as with Ingebrigtsen, that he can be equally good in both in the 1500m and 10000m. To date, he hasn’t proven he can run faster than 3:31.
Aregawi doesn’t need to race the 1500m hundreds of times. His 3000m time indicates he is capable of reaching his current potential in the 1500m, and it would take only one paced race to get it done.
I KNEW he will come up with this. EC and CG are not global! Not to beat in it's pure stupidity.
Coe's championship record at his main distance is much weaker than Ingebrigtsen's at 1500m.
Same for Ovett at 1500m.
1500m is not Ingebrigtsen's best distance. He tries to get the maximum out of it when young. But he is better over 3000m and 5000m. And probably will be in the 10000m.
Yes, Clarke is not a contender.
At the moment, Ingebrigtsen has good chances to become GOAT distance runner. His 1500m success is what seperates him from Gebrselassie and Bekele.
So how are championships confined to Europe and the British Commonwealth "global", since the rest of the world is excluded?
Coe has two Olympic 1500 golds, achieved consecutively. Jakob doesn't and never will. I lost interest in the rest of your comment after that.
You never had interest.
ECand CG for sure are much weaker than global Champs. Coe couldn't even win those weaker ones.
In fact, he hasn't won a global gold in his Main distance at all. Not in 76. Not in 80. Not in 83. Not in 84. Not in 87. Not in 88.
The fallacy in your post is that you assume that Aregawi has worked as hard in the 1500m as Jakob who has raced hundreds of it(including the ones that are made for fast time with wavelight and pacers), peaked for it specifically every single year.
You’re making the same assumption, as with Ingebrigtsen, that he can be equally good in both in the 1500m and 10000m. To date, he hasn’t proven he can run faster than 3:31.
Aregawi doesn’t need to race the 1500m hundreds of times. His 3000m time indicates he is capable of reaching his current potential in the 1500m, and it would take only one paced race to get it done.
Nah, I don't assume he's equally good in both 1500m and 10000m. I think he's better at the 10k(and 5k) than in the 1500m, and that's based off the training he's been doing since he's a small kid as well as his dominance over the 5k.
If he can run 7:21, 12:40, 3:28-29 is in the cards with specific training. Canova, when talking about Bekele, also said he could've run 3:28 if he had trained like a 1500m specialist despite his 3:32 PR. Another case in point, Komen has a 3:29, 3:46 PR with a 7:20, 12:39, but unlike Bekele and Aregawi, he raced a lot of 1500m/mile as well as, of course, the 3k.
Btw, that's why it's astonishing for Jakob to be so dominant in the 5k, while staying in 3:26 shape. One reason he can do it is that he literally trains like a 5k/10k guy with all that threshold work. So yeah, I agree with the notion that he's a 5k/10k guy choosing to run the 1500m.
Name one 1500 runner who at 23 has had better results, with one Olympic gold, two Worlds silvers, a bunch of European and Diamond League golds, never having finished lower than fourth in his senior career and the numerous fast times he's run.
Name a contender for GOAT who lost three consecutive global championship finals (didn't even place in their last one) in their favoured event.
No answer as expected, there's nobody else who has done better at the same age as Jakob and you know it.
And Jakobs favoured event is the 5000m, where he's unbeaten since 2019.
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Name a contender for GOAT who lost three consecutive global championship finals (didn't even place in their last one) in their favoured event.
No answer as expected, there's nobody else who has done better at the same age as Jakob and you know it.
And Jakobs favoured event is the 5000m, where he's unbeaten since 2019.
You don't seem to be aware that this isn't an age competition. So far, at his specialty event, which is the 1500, Ingebrigtsen has shown in the last 3 years that he can't win a championship final.
No answer as expected, there's nobody else who has done better at the same age as Jakob and you know it.
And Jakobs favoured event is the 5000m, where he's unbeaten since 2019.
You don't seem to be aware that this isn't an age competition. So far, at his specialty event, which is the 1500, Ingebrigtsen has shown in the last 3 years that he can't win a championship final.
You think higher of Jakob than his fanboys do when you're comparing his accomplishments to the people who have had much, much longer careers than he has so far.
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No answer as expected, there's nobody else who has done better at the same age as Jakob and you know it.
And Jakobs favoured event is the 5000m, where he's unbeaten since 2019.
You don't seem to be aware that this isn't an age competition. So far, at his specialty event, which is the 1500, Ingebrigtsen has shown in the last 3 years that he can't win a championship final.
He has won many 1500m championship finals. He also has done in 1500m championships much better than Coe has done in 800s , Coe's main distance.
Or look at Ron Clarke. Ingebrigtsen has done in the 1500m so much better than Clarke has done in the 5000m and in the 10000m. Only Morceli and El Guerrouj have clearly done much better in 1500 Championships than Ingebrigtsen. But 1500 is not Ingebrigtsens best distance. He clearly is stronger in the 3000m and the 5000m.