The downfall of UNC women has nothing to do with Jess Riden - people are SO quick to attack the ONE female on staff. Milt is the DIRECTOR of this program. He writes the workouts, chooses the meets, dictates the team focuses. MILT.
I plugged the times for the NC State top 5 at today's meet into the results from the 2022 NCAA Meet ( held on same course in Tallahassee as we know) and it looks like that would leave them with about 145 -150 points, not good enough for a title and maybe even a low as third. That's the bad news. Good news is Bush appears to be rounding into form and hopefully Tyynismaa is okay and will be a threat at regionals and nationals. They clearly need both to do well to have much of a chance. I would have some concerns about Stephens maintaining a high level of racing over the entire season, but who knows?
I would have considered NAU the favorite before today and this just reinforces that thinking. But Henes didn't just fall off the turnip truck so I would not count them out yet.
I just posted similar in another thread. Lacctic has NC State and Florida basically dead even at 2 & 3 now. And we haven't seen a full strength ok state. So ... it's a race.
If you plug Bush and Tyynismaa into the Nuttycomb results with the same times as Stephens, I think the results are close but NCS beats NAU. Put another way, NCS probably needs both Bush and Tyynismaa to run faster than Stephens has been running to have a chance to win nationals. I think Bush can get there but its not clear where Tyynismaa is right now.
I just posted similar in another thread. Lacctic has NC State and Florida basically dead even at 2 & 3 now. And we haven't seen a full strength ok state. So ... it's a race.
If you plug Bush and Tyynismaa into the Nuttycomb results with the same times as Stephens, I think the results are close but NCS beats NAU. Put another way, NCS probably needs both Bush and Tyynismaa to run faster than Stephens has been running to have a chance to win nationals. I think Bush can get there but its not clear where Tyynismaa is right now.
Agree completely . Those two are likely the key to how NC State does. Tyynismaa was just a bit behind Bush when she cramped up and likely headed for about a 15th place finish at ACC meet so my guess is she's off her peak but hopefully getting fitter.
BTW my post should have said the 2021 NCAA meet, not 2022 but I guess people realized that.
Vin Lananna one of the largest contracts in all of running and finished 3rd in both races. Is it time for uva to rethink their decision since he has no conference titles?
The squires at uva are delighted with two third places at acc and hosting NCAA meet.
I just posted similar in another thread. Lacctic has NC State and Florida basically dead even at 2 & 3 now. And we haven't seen a full strength ok state. So ... it's a race.
If you plug Bush and Tyynismaa into the Nuttycomb results with the same times as Stephens, I think the results are close but NCS beats NAU. Put another way, NCS probably needs both Bush and Tyynismaa to run faster than Stephens has been running to have a chance to win nationals. I think Bush can get there but its not clear where Tyynismaa is right now.
If you plug Bush and Tyynismaa into the Nuttycomb results with the same times as Stephens, I think the results are close but NCS beats NAU. Put another way, NCS probably needs both Bush and Tyynismaa to run faster than Stephens has been running to have a chance to win nationals. I think Bush can get there but its not clear where Tyynismaa is right now.
And if your aunt had balls, she’d be your uncle
not sure your objection - this is a way to come up with a meaningful scenario that NC St would need to achieve.
Chmiel was struggling in the outdoor season. She was 8th in the 10000 and 16th in the 5000m at NCAAs. At Joe Piane she finished just ahead of Churchill. I think injuries are a factor. She always seems to show up at Nationals in XC though.
I don't think she's injured. she's a senior who's been a workhorse for NC State since she arrived. all those years at that level will wear on your body - look what happened to Taylor Roe.
she's also wise and knows to save her legs for Nationals, that's what it's all about.
Just a side note: Did you happen to see what Taylor Roe did yesterday at the Big 12?
I don't think she's injured. she's a senior who's been a workhorse for NC State since she arrived. all those years at that level will wear on your body - look what happened to Taylor Roe.
she's also wise and knows to save her legs for Nationals, that's what it's all about.
Just a side note: Did you happen to see what Taylor Roe did yesterday at the Big 12?
fwiw Laactic rated her at 15:46 - for reference they rated Chmiel at 15:35 on Friday (and Valby at 14:49)
I don't think she's injured. she's a senior who's been a workhorse for NC State since she arrived. all those years at that level will wear on your body - look what happened to Taylor Roe.
she's also wise and knows to save her legs for Nationals, that's what it's all about.
Just a side note: Did you happen to see what Taylor Roe did yesterday at the Big 12?
Very happy for Roe after a disappointing outdoors.
"Looking ahead, Touhy said her fitness is where it should be. Her comments summed up what everyone will be looking forward to in the next few meets: The run to the national championship and the hope of feeling fresh for that epic showdown with Florida's Parker Valby in three weeks. “Everything is feeling good. We had a couple of big training blocks leading up to this time of year so I think our bodies are pretty fit. Once we start tapering off a little bit, we’ll be fresh. I’m looking forward to feeling fresh going into the rest of the championships season,” Tuohy said."
as some have surmised Tuohy will probably be faster at Nationals than she was 2 weeks ago. Whether it will be fast enough we all will find out.
I'd still think sitting Stephens at Regionals would not be the worst thing.
They will have to be very, very good to beat NAU.
I would expect to see 2-3 of the Pack to rest and not run at regionals.
"Looking ahead, Touhy said her fitness is where it should be. Her comments summed up what everyone will be looking forward to in the next few meets: The run to the national championship and the hope of feeling fresh for that epic showdown with Florida's Parker Valby in three weeks. “Everything is feeling good. We had a couple of big training blocks leading up to this time of year so I think our bodies are pretty fit. Once we start tapering off a little bit, we’ll be fresh. I’m looking forward to feeling fresh going into the rest of the championships season,” Tuohy said."
as some have surmised Tuohy will probably be faster at Nationals than she was 2 weeks ago. Whether it will be fast enough we all will find out.
I'd still think sitting Stephens at Regionals would not be the worst thing.
They will have to be very, very good to beat NAU.
I would expect to see 2-3 of the Pack to rest and not run at regionals.
Thanks, Tuffy!
I’ll assume Tuohy is going to take a break? And Stephens? (Can we still win if they both rest?).
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I would expect to see 2-3 of the Pack to rest and not run at regionals.
Thanks, Tuffy!
I’ll assume Tuohy is going to take a break? And Stephens? (Can we still win if they both rest?).
they dont need to win. Finishing top 4 locks up a nationals berth with their kolas points. top 2 is auto and then NC state presumably would have the most kolas points of any non-auto team (assuming NAU is auto bid) and would be able to push 3rd in and qualify as 4th.
"Looking ahead, Touhy said her fitness is where it should be. Her comments summed up what everyone will be looking forward to in the next few meets: The run to the national championship and the hope of feeling fresh for that epic showdown with Florida's Parker Valby in three weeks. “Everything is feeling good. We had a couple of big training blocks leading up to this time of year so I think our bodies are pretty fit. Once we start tapering off a little bit, we’ll be fresh. I’m looking forward to feeling fresh going into the rest of the championships season,” Tuohy said."
as some have surmised Tuohy will probably be faster at Nationals than she was 2 weeks ago. Whether it will be fast enough we all will find out.
I'd still think sitting Stephens at Regionals would not be the worst thing.
They will have to be very, very good to beat NAU.
I would expect to see 2-3 of the Pack to rest and not run at regionals.
Is Tuohy going to be ready for her duel with Valby? That is what most fans want to know.
I’ll assume Tuohy is going to take a break? And Stephens? (Can we still win if they both rest?).
they dont need to win. Finishing top 4 locks up a nationals berth with their kolas points. top 2 is auto and then NC state presumably would have the most kolas points of any non-auto team (assuming NAU is auto bid) and would be able to push 3rd in and qualify as 4th.
Interesting. If Tyynismaa and Bush are running (and improved) they might still get top 2, even if Chmiel Tuohy and Stephens rest.
Interesting. If Tyynismaa and Bush are running (and improved) they might still get top 2, even if Chmiel Tuohy and Stephens rest.
I might rest both of the youths, Stephens and Hartman. Then perhaps oddly Bush and Tyynismaa given their current fragility. As 'coach' I saw what I needed to see for both SB and AT at the acc meet.
I re-watched the race and Maatoug came on pretty strong in the final k. That last hill also looked tough. Is she surpassing Chmiel or was this a great race for her and an OK one for Chmiel? Do you think she will beat Chmiel at nationals? She was also only 7 seconds back from Tuohy which was surprising.
I re-watched the race and Maatoug came on pretty strong in the final k. That last hill also looked tough. Is she surpassing Chmiel or was this a great race for her and an OK one for Chmiel? Do you think she will beat Chmiel at nationals? She was also only 7 seconds back from Tuohy which was surprising.
I think Chmiel will place in front of Maatoug at Nationals, when that point REALLY counts. She’ll dig deep.
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