2:11:53 - not possible w/o drugs, supershoes?

you must enter a username wrote:

I really think people aren't quite realising how important lightweight shoes are in a marathon. It's at least 2-3 minutes per ounce.

just wonderiing wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You've answered my question. No.

Is Chepkurui doped? Shauri from Tansania? Yimer? Three Eritrean born runners have bettered the German und Suisse records by big margins. Are they doping? Are the best US runners clean?

CoelhoKNowsitall wrote:

If she was an american no one will be talking about EPO. lol

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Meaningless wrote:

Emily Sisson is faster than your hero (mine too) Emil Zatopek when he set Olympic record in the marathon.

fact lover wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You needed to have followed the sport. In my youth the greatest male marathon runner was another Ethiopian, Abebe Bikila. He trained full-time and destroyed the competition while setting a world record when he won the Tokyo Olympics marathon (repeating his wr victory from Rome 4 years earlier). She is a novice, converting from the 800m. She is now faster than his world record - a MAN'S world record - on only her third effort at the distance. If you understand the differences between the best male and female athletes - which cannot be bridged by talent, training, technique (or shoes) - what she has done is not possible. Unless doped beyond belief.

I see no facts here. Some guy 40 years ago was slower, therefore it's not possible. Doesn't follow. But nice feelings you got there.

Armstronglivs wrote:

you must enter a username wrote:

I really think people aren't quite realising how important lightweight shoes are in a marathon. It's at least 2-3 minutes per ounce.

Rubbish. If that was so this would have been the practice decades ago.

Armstronglivs wrote:

fact lover wrote:

I see no facts here. Some guy 40 years ago was slower, therefore it's not possible. Doesn't follow. But nice feelings you got there.

You don't know anything about the sport or the biological differences that distinguish male and female athletic performances. But that's ok - that's what "fans" are like.

the dim locator wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

The men's world record in '64 for the mile was 3:54. 1:44 for the 800. The women's marathon record is now faster than the men's marathon record of that era. That is a massive and exponential increase in female endurance. It can only be achieved by drugs - training and shoes alone won't do it.

So you're proclaiming "training and shoes alone won't do it" with nothing in support? Noted. Keep posting.

trackfangirl wrote:

It's funny watching people on this thread go wild. 100% Americans here I'm sure. Jealousy from the joggers. As soon as she accomplished this unprecedented feat I couldn't wait to see the sweat dripping hatred here. Lets face it in the next 10 years women will run a 2:10 marathon, 1/2 marathon in close to 1 hour, a 5k in 13min range, run a 10k in 28 min range and come close to the 4 minute mile and there is nothing the joggers of Letsrun can do about it. But it will be funny over that time watching the reactions here :)

dsdxfsdf wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

I believe she used PEDs to achieve this result. I’m not particularly interested in arguing about it though, I’m just contributing this factual tidbit:

The difference between the half marathon and marathon WRs for men/women is now very close. On the men’s side, 57:31 x 2 + 6:07 = 2:01:09; on the women’s, 62:52 x 2 + 6:09 = 2:11:53. In a way, this makes 2:11:53 for a woman seem more fathomable—though it’s very likely that all four WRs were achieved with the help of PEDs.

You need to adjust the 6:09 by a percentage given the longer running time, poor logic.

Meaningless wrote:

Emily Sisson is faster than your hero (mine too) Emil Zatopek when he set Olympic record in the marathon.

fact lover wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You don't know anything about the sport or the biological differences that distinguish male and female athletic performances. But that's ok - that's what "fans" are like.

She ran 2:11 not 2:01 so not sure why you're talking about biological differences here, she's nowhere near top men. Still waiting for facts that would show that it is impossible for a female runner to break 2:11 without drugs btw. Cause so far you have nothing but nostalgia for yester times.

Armstronglivs wrote:

the dim locator wrote:

So you're proclaiming "training and shoes alone won't do it" with nothing in support? Noted. Keep posting.

You know nothing about doping and what it has done to the sport beyond what talent and training can achieve.