This Nick Kipleri guy, and many others, are in for some big surprises. Jakob himself, and all the people close to him, knows he is better the longer the distance gets. The 1500 is the greatest challenge for Jakob.
If he don’t get sick or injured, he will wipe the floor with Arigawi and those other guys. The 1500 is probably his weakest distance, and that says a lot.
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Jakob ran 12:48 when he was 20 years old. He is now two full years older, and he has made tremendous progress since then, evidenced by his 7:54 mile.
You are acting as if Jakob only a 1500m runner, managing to do well in higher distances, but this wrong. Jakob is an endurance-based athlete going down to the 1500m.
He won his first Euro xc gold in the U20 division a couple of months after his 16th birthday.
He is the double Euro xc champion from 2021 and 2022. These are a great indication of his endurance capabilities, because he does no xc training but is vastly superior on the 9,5km course (which surely equates to above 10000m on a track) against the best athletes in europe, many of whom train specifically for it
To say that Jakob is not capable of sub 12:40 is beyond delusional, or to say that 5K isnt his best event. He crushed the world elite at the age of 20, in a fast 12:48 race.
The world championships in Tokyo in 2025 is in September. That's the only major championships for him that year, and he will be 24 years old that season. He will have plenty of time that season to go after all the records he wants, all the way from 1500-10000, while being 24 and in his prime.
If he does not get injured, he we almost certainly have tried to go for the 5000m WR, and if he wants to, it's not unlikely that he will be the first man to run sub 12:30.
I mean I think Jakob can go under 12:40, but someone who might put him at 12:40-44 is not “beyond delusional.” That’s extreme. The 12:48, his best comp was Hagos who was coming off missing the Ethiopian team (10K) only 3-4 days before. Cheptegei obviously had a lousy race. This Worlds field * should * be stronger, but last year should’ve too but there were injuries (Katir, Kejelcha, Cheptegei) withdrawals (Aregawi, Kiplimo - happening again) and surprise misses (Haile Bekele). This year hopefully we get the loaded race.
Actually Hagos had run 26:57 on June 8th and 12:49 on June 10th, so only one day of recovery between those races, which is really amazing to me and makes me wonder if he was in 12:42 shape 2 years ago, which meant if fresh he might have beaten Jakob that day. But to your point, Jakob has given us little indication he can break 12:40. Maybe he can but as you said a guess of 12:40 to 12:44 is not crazy at all.
Jakob ran 12:48 when he was 20 years old. He is now two full years older, and he has made tremendous progress since then, evidenced by his 7:54 mile.
You are acting as if Jakob only a 1500m runner, managing to do well in higher distances, but this wrong. Jakob is an endurance-based athlete going down to the 1500m.
He won his first Euro xc gold in the U20 division a couple of months after his 16th birthday.
He is the double Euro xc champion from 2021 and 2022. These are a great indication of his endurance capabilities, because he does no xc training but is vastly superior on the 9,5km course (which surely equates to above 10000m on a track) against the best athletes in europe, many of whom train specifically for it
To say that Jakob is not capable of sub 12:40 is beyond delusional, or to say that 5K isnt his best event. He crushed the world elite at the age of 20, in a fast 12:48 race.
The world championships in Tokyo in 2025 is in September. That's the only major championships for him that year, and he will be 24 years old that season. He will have plenty of time that season to go after all the records he wants, all the way from 1500-10000, while being 24 and in his prime.
If he does not get injured, he we almost certainly have tried to go for the 5000m WR, and if he wants to, it's not unlikely that he will be the first man to run sub 12:30.
I mean I think Jakob can go under 12:40, but someone who might put him at 12:40-44 is not “beyond delusional.” That’s extreme. The 12:48, his best comp was Hagos who was coming off missing the Ethiopian team (10K) only 3-4 days before. Cheptegei obviously had a lousy race. This Worlds field * should * be stronger, but last year should’ve too but there were injuries (Katir, Kejelcha, Cheptegei) withdrawals (Aregawi, Kiplimo - happening again) and surprise misses (Haile Bekele). This year hopefully we get the loaded race.
TH, You really love the east Africans!
When Jakob beats them they are injured, have withdrawals and lousy races.
The fact is that most of them just are more up and down so you never know when they deliver a super race.
Aregawi and Kiplimo was out of the 5000m in WC 2022 because of lacklustre performances in the 10000m. Aregawi was substituted with Haile Bekele who also underperformed. I suppose Kiplimo removed himself from the 5000m because he realized he wouldn´t be competitive. And Kiplimo is reportedly considering to do the same this year.
And you stubbornly stick to your postulate that the 3000m is Jakob´s best event even though the Ingebrigtsens themselves (Jakob and Henrik) say it´s the 5000m.
But luckily will get some clarification in a month from now.
If Jakob manages to peak in Budapest and avoids accidents I predict he will win the 5000m as easily as he won in Eugene.
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You have the same tendency to excuse especially the Kenyans in the 1500m:
According to you Tim has had injury problems for years and your favorite Kipsang has shown bad tactics............
Instead of just realizing that Jakob now is on a higher level than Tim ever was and than Kipsang hardly will be able to attain.
I mean I think Jakob can go under 12:40, but someone who might put him at 12:40-44 is not “beyond delusional.” That’s extreme. The 12:48, his best comp was Hagos who was coming off missing the Ethiopian team (10K) only 3-4 days before. Cheptegei obviously had a lousy race. This Worlds field * should * be stronger, but last year should’ve too but there were injuries (Katir, Kejelcha, Cheptegei) withdrawals (Aregawi, Kiplimo - happening again) and surprise misses (Haile Bekele). This year hopefully we get the loaded race.
Actually Hagos had run 26:57 on June 8th and 12:49 on June 10th, so only one day of recovery between those races, which is really amazing to me and makes me wonder if he was in 12:42 shape 2 years ago, which meant if fresh he might have beaten Jakob that day. But to your point, Jakob has given us little indication he can break 12:40. Maybe he can but as you said a guess of 12:40 to 12:44 is not crazy at all.
Yes, there is solid indication that Jakob´s 7:54 2 mile WB converts to 12:34 in the 5000m.
AS you can see Jakob´s 7.54 in the 2 mile gives 1304 points which equals 12:34 in the 5000m.
This is also an answer to Nick Kipleri and "7:54" regarding their posts on page 7.
You guys can of course argue that Jakob is far better in the 2 mile than in the 5000m but that would be very unlikely and it´s also contrary to what the Ingebrigtsens state themselves BASED ON HIS TRAININGS RESULTS.
Actually Hagos had run 26:57 on June 8th and 12:49 on June 10th, so only one day of recovery between those races, which is really amazing to me and makes me wonder if he was in 12:42 shape 2 years ago, which meant if fresh he might have beaten Jakob that day. But to your point, Jakob has given us little indication he can break 12:40. Maybe he can but as you said a guess of 12:40 to 12:44 is not crazy at all.
Yes, there is solid indication that Jakob´s 7:54 2 mile WB converts to 12:34 in the 5000m.
AS you can see Jakob´s 7.54 in the 2 mile gives 1304 points which equals 12:34 in the 5000m.
This is also an answer to Nick Kipleri and "7:54" regarding their posts on page 7.
You guys can of course argue that Jakob is far better in the 2 mile than in the 5000m but that would be very unlikely and it´s also contrary to what the Ingebrigtsens state themselves BASED ON HIS TRAININGS RESULTS.
You need to change your user name. It is making you a laughingstock among the intelligent. World Athletic points are not good ammunition for your argument. You need to be more intelligent than you are. Komen ran 3:29 7:20 12:39. Jakob has run 3:27 7:54 12:48. Let us give Jakob 12:42. We cannot give him faster at this point. If you are not smart enough to understand this, we will get nowhere.
Let us give Jakob 12:42. We cannot give him faster at this point. If you are not smart enough to understand this, we will get nowhere.
What an argument from a selfproclaimed intelligent person. Cannot give him faster than 12:42. and if people are not smart enough to understand this ....
Let us give Jakob 12:42. We cannot give him faster at this point. If you are not smart enough to understand this, we will get nowhere.
What an argument from a selfproclaimed intelligent person. Cannot give him faster than 12:42. and if people are not smart enough to understand this ....
You people are so biased. Should we just give him a 12:34 like the “objective observer” says? Some of you are a bit slow. Could be a Norwegian issue too, but in fairness even you stupid Norwegians have no monopoly on stupid.
AS you can see Jakob´s 7.54 in the 2 mile gives 1304 points which equals 12:34 in the 5000m.
This is also an answer to Nick Kipleri and "7:54" regarding their posts on page 7.
You guys can of course argue that Jakob is far better in the 2 mile than in the 5000m but that would be very unlikely and it´s also contrary to what the Ingebrigtsens state themselves BASED ON HIS TRAININGS RESULTS.
You need to change your user name. It is making you a laughingstock among the intelligent. World Athletic points are not good ammunition for your argument. You need to be more intelligent than you are. Komen ran 3:29 7:20 12:39. Jakob has run 3:27 7:54 12:48. Let us give Jakob 12:42. We cannot give him faster at this point. If you are not smart enough to understand this, we will get nowhere.
Your logic makes no sense. Jakob has already run faster times in the 1500 and 2 mile, equaling a 7:19 3000. So in that case his time is 12:42 max while komens was 12:39?? Make this make sense
You need to change your user name. It is making you a laughingstock among the intelligent. World Athletic points are not good ammunition for your argument. You need to be more intelligent than you are. Komen ran 3:29 7:20 12:39. Jakob has run 3:27 7:54 12:48. Let us give Jakob 12:42. We cannot give him faster at this point. If you are not smart enough to understand this, we will get nowhere.
Your logic makes no sense. Jakob has already run faster times in the 1500 and 2 mile, equaling a 7:19 3000. So in that case his time is 12:42 max while komens was 12:39?? Make this make sense
You are not very bright. I did NOT say Jakob’s max was 12:42. I am saying that if you have 2 runners and their 3000m times are the same BUT one is clearly faster at 1500m, the faster 1500m runner is more likely to be slightly slower, not faster, at 5000m than the other runner. This is NOT the same as saying who would be better in a championship 5000m, which is a separate subject.
Your logic makes no sense. Jakob has already run faster times in the 1500 and 2 mile, equaling a 7:19 3000. So in that case his time is 12:42 max while komens was 12:39?? Make this make sense
You are not very bright. I did NOT say Jakob’s max was 12:42. I am saying that if you have 2 runners and their 3000m times are the same BUT one is clearly faster at 1500m, the faster 1500m runner is more likely to be slightly slower, not faster, at 5000m than the other runner. This is NOT the same as saying who would be better in a championship 5000m, which is a separate subject.
Lmao you can say whatever you want about any runner in the world. However the fact of the matter is that Jakob has already run a faster 1500 and ran a better 2 mile time than komens 7:20. Saying “we cannot give him faster than 12:39” despite him already running better times than the man komen is the fallacy in your logic.
You are not very bright. I did NOT say Jakob’s max was 12:42. I am saying that if you have 2 runners and their 3000m times are the same BUT one is clearly faster at 1500m, the faster 1500m runner is more likely to be slightly slower, not faster, at 5000m than the other runner. This is NOT the same as saying who would be better in a championship 5000m, which is a separate subject.
Lmao you can say whatever you want about any runner in the world. However the fact of the matter is that Jakob has already run a faster 1500 and ran a better 2 mile time than komens 7:20. Saying “we cannot give him faster than 12:39” despite him already running better times than the man komen is the fallacy in your logic.
You are apparently uneducable. I suppose this means that Rudisha would be faster than Jakob at 1500m according to you. You are simply not very bright.
You are not very bright. I did NOT say Jakob’s max was 12:42. I am saying that if you have 2 runners and their 3000m times are the same BUT one is clearly faster at 1500m, the faster 1500m runner is more likely to be slightly slower, not faster, at 5000m than the other runner. This is NOT the same as saying who would be better in a championship 5000m, which is a separate subject.
Lmao you can say whatever you want about any runner in the world. However the fact of the matter is that Jakob has already run a faster 1500 and ran a better 2 mile time than komens 7:20. Saying “we cannot give him faster than 12:39” despite him already running better times than the man komen is the fallacy in your logic.
You are ignorant. Jakob is faster than Kenenisa Bekele was at 1500, 3000, 2 miles, and let us say he can run 12:34 ( even though he cannot.) IF Jakob could run 12:34, then you assume he could run faster than Kenenisa’s 26:17 and Cheptegei’s 26:11. But this is because you are cognitively challenged like so many here.
Lmao you can say whatever you want about any runner in the world. However the fact of the matter is that Jakob has already run a faster 1500 and ran a better 2 mile time than komens 7:20. Saying “we cannot give him faster than 12:39” despite him already running better times than the man komen is the fallacy in your logic.
You are apparently uneducable. I suppose this means that Rudisha would be faster than Jakob at 1500m according to you. You are simply not very bright.
The fact that you are comparing two events with a much bigger difference in energy systems used than a 2 mile and 5000m is proof of how mentally incompetent you are lol.
Lmao you can say whatever you want about any runner in the world. However the fact of the matter is that Jakob has already run a faster 1500 and ran a better 2 mile time than komens 7:20. Saying “we cannot give him faster than 12:39” despite him already running better times than the man komen is the fallacy in your logic.
You are ignorant. Jakob is faster than Kenenisa Bekele was at 1500, 3000, 2 miles, and let us say he can run 12:34 ( even though he cannot.) IF Jakob could run 12:34, then you assume he could run faster than Kenenisa’s 26:17 and Cheptegei’s 26:11. But this is because you are cognitively challenged like so many here.
First off 12:34 does not even surpass cheptegei’s 26:11 so I am not sure why are you are bringing that into this. I am also not sure how someone can be cognitively challenged according to you when I have never even mentioned a 10k until you brought it up. Are you cognitively challenged to not see that? Jakob has not even run a 10k and all stats point to him being phenomenal at one. We can only wait and see when he ACTUALLY runs one.
You are apparently uneducable. I suppose this means that Rudisha would be faster than Jakob at 1500m according to you. You are simply not very bright.
The fact that you are comparing two events with a much bigger difference in energy systems used than a 2 mile and 5000m is proof of how mentally incompetent you are lol.
Haile Gebrselassie, wearing the old spikes, might beat Jakob wearing the new spikes at 5000m, or else it is too close to call. At 3000m Jakob wins. They are not identical races and you cannot seem to grasp this. If they both were wearing today’s footwear, I am not sure what happens at 2 miles but Geb would defeat Jakob at 5000m, and it is not open to debate.
You are ignorant. Jakob is faster than Kenenisa Bekele was at 1500, 3000, 2 miles, and let us say he can run 12:34 ( even though he cannot.) IF Jakob could run 12:34, then you assume he could run faster than Kenenisa’s 26:17 and Cheptegei’s 26:11. But this is because you are cognitively challenged like so many here.
First off 12:34 does not even surpass cheptegei’s 26:11 so I am not sure why are you are bringing that into this. I am also not sure how someone can be cognitively challenged according to you when I have never even mentioned a 10k until you brought it up. Are you cognitively challenged to not see that? Jakob has not even run a 10k and all stats point to him being phenomenal at one. We can only wait and see when he ACTUALLY runs one.
You are an idiot. If runner A ran 3:30, 7:30 and runner B ran 3:35 and 7:30 who do you think would run a faster 5000m? Assume that they have had numerous tries at both distances?
While I agree with your predicted outcome, I don't agree with the process.
In a non-paced championship setting, murderous pace is just another way of saying bad pacing, with early accumulation and running most of the 5000 with a higher average lactate than normal, resulting in a slower final time.
In the 5000 Jakob has shown, on multiple occasions, that 1) he's acutely aware of his own limits and 2) that he doesn't get stressed out by race dynamics. Take the U20 WC in Tampere, or DL Florence as examples. Gaps start appearing but he sticks to the plan and catches up later.
I don't see how he fails to close the gap, even if three Ethiopians run a team time trial up front and he runs in no-mans-land with Katir on his tail.
Also, the Ugandans and Kenyans aren't letting the Ethiopians get away for free, so they'll make sure someone is closing any gaps that appear in the first 3k.
When it comes to the finish it will be a repeat of Eugene. Jakob takes the lead with 1k-800m to go, and churns out a 2:22.0 for a 12:53.0 win.
That’s something that has always amazed me about Jakob, the ability to see a pack of runners go, and just stay calm and know that you’re in the right place.
The confidence to think that it’s not you who are getting dropped, but the whole pack that is going too fast.
When I was running, especially young, when you saw a pack of more than one runner go, in your mind that was basically over for the win, even if you were just as good as them on paper.
That’s why his race in Chia at European XC U20 when he was 16 and his race at World U20 in Tampere are two of my favorite races ever. Like how confident do you have to be, as a 17 year old, to let a gap of almost 100m open up mid 5k, with Gjert starting to say that you messed up and that it’s over, and then just catch up and win/medal over a 12:44 guy.
Even in Florence I remember the commentators saying something along the lines of Ingebrigtsen is being dropped, it’s over, as a 1500m specialist he just can’t do anything against the world record older.
You have proved literally nothing with this response. “Yeah guya just trust my he won’t win against Jakob in a 5000m” You sound like a delusional fanboy while I have provided stats and numbers. What a joke.
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