She wouid have to be ill to be off her game to that degree. We are talking 15:30 with a 1:10 close. She ran 15:31 with a 1:07 close doubling from the 1500m at regionals. I don't think it is a matter of not feeling great. She could run those times and beat a runner she always outkicks even feeling poorly. Again as long as she was not legitimately ill.
No she wouldn’t. What do you mean by ill? There are runners who simply cannot appear to run well anymore at the end of a long season, maybe anemia, or maybe an unknown reason, but they simply have lost the ability to run close to their best. This is a complicated issue and your fanboy status will preclude you from seeing clearly.
Well the example you gave of anemia is an actual illness. It will cause you to just blow up late in a race. Low ferritin. I had a family member who dealt with this and it was very hard to watch struggle and is no joke.
Is it possible she is off her game? She is a great runner and maybe something is off and that is why she chose not to contest the 5000m? That is the point. I know that fresh and feeling great she can run 15:00 or so. But she was not in that form tonight. This can happen in a long collegiate season, especially with indoors. I think an indoor season often hurts collegiate runners. I have seen it happen often.
the USATF qualifiers are in 2 weeks. if she was truly injured she wouldn't have run at all. i still think she should have chosen one race, not try to double, especially on the same day and in the hot Texas heat. just a recipe for disaster.
Well said! Though I believe I made the same point last week.
They are thinking of USTAF. There was no reason for her to try to grind the 5000m out. Hopefully just resting.
Then she shouldn't have taken a spot from someone else who could have run the race. This is cowardly and I don't like it. What? You can't win so you won't race? It's also an attitude of "I'm too good to peak for the NCAA's"? A) apparently not and B) if that's the case then leave the NCAA and go fully professional.
They are thinking of USTAF. There was no reason for her to try to grind the 5000m out. Hopefully just resting.
Then she shouldn't have taken a spot from someone else who could have run the race. This is cowardly and I don't like it. What? You can't win so you won't race? It's also an attitude of "I'm too good to peak for the NCAA's"? A) apparently not and B) if that's the case then leave the NCAA and go fully professional.
Probably was not planned. Medical scratch possibly? Would you want her to run with heat exhaustion or something.
It was brutally hot in Austin this weekend (94 degrees at the start of the 1500). Sitting in the stands was very uncomfortable much less trying to double in 2 distance events. It was just too much to take on 2 events in those conditions. In events other than the sprints, There were no successful same day doubles. Even Britton Wilson struggled mightily (2nd and then 7th) with her attempt to double. Ramsden (who won the 1500) struggled in the 5000. The conditions were not right for doubling. And congrats to Valby for a 15:30 5000 in very tough conditions.
Why did Tuohy run the 10000 m a couple of weeks ago? Well, that's a lesson to Tuohy that she's not ready to turn pro at all, and should stay and graduate. Addy Wiley at 19 just ran 4:03.
No she wouldn’t. What do you mean by ill? There are runners who simply cannot appear to run well anymore at the end of a long season, maybe anemia, or maybe an unknown reason, but they simply have lost the ability to run close to their best. This is a complicated issue and your fanboy status will preclude you from seeing clearly.
Well the example you gave of anemia is an actual illness. It will cause you to just blow up late in a race. Low ferritin. I had a family member who dealt with this and it was very hard to watch struggle and is no joke.
Also the cluelessness people have about pro running is sad. Pro running is based on chemistry. You think Kipyegon breaks records based on natural talent?
Why did Tuohy run the 10000 m a couple of weeks ago? Well, that's a lesson to Tuohy that she's not ready to turn pro at all, and should stay and graduate. Addy Wiley at 19 just ran 4:03.
at the end of the day she's a 21 year old runner still trying to figure it all out. there will be a lot of trial and error, a lot of experimenting on what her body can and can't endure over a long season. not the first nor last time this will happen.
she ran a full XC, an intense indoor where she doubled at the championships, then followed that up by setting the 3000 record in outdoor, and that was all before the NCAA's. plus the pressure of expectations hovering over her all the time.
a staggering output, probably ran more this year than any year in her entire life.
Please refresh my memory…exactly when has Valby beaten Tuohy in head-to-head competition? Oh never? What makes you think this would have been different? Tuohy‘s PB is 27 seconds faster than the 15:30 run by Valby. That’s an eternity in 12.5 laps. Even if conditions tonight wouldn’t have been conducive to a sub 15 effort, do you honestly believe a fresh Tuohy would not have been able to go under 15:30? She ran a 4:33 mile at 16 in 95 degree heat. To lose to Valby in a National final in such a slow race is beyond rational. I know it’s fashionable to hate Katelyn in this forum but this is stretching credulity even for the fashionable Tuohy haters.
But she did lose to Valby....she didn't make it to the starting line. That's an L.
All her fans making excuses……. Instead of just saying she was over hyped and did not deliver. Funny I saw it predicted that if she did bad in the 1500, she would duck out of the 5K. I thought surely not, she signed up for this. No one forced her to take these spots. but sure enough…. It happened.
What excuse? She had a disappointing race in the 1500 and then scratched from the 5000m, which was understandable. If she ran the 5000m alone she would have defended her title.
Also the cluelessness people have about pro running is sad. Pro running is based on chemistry. You think Kipyegon breaks records based on natural talent?
So according to you everyone except Touhy is doping? 😂
What excuse? She had a disappointing race in the 1500 and then scratched from the 5000m, which was understandable. If she ran the 5000m alone she would have defended her title.
defended it?? That’s funny. No, she would have lost It to Valby. See this is what I mean.
No. But create any strawman you want if it makes you feel better. But the fact remains that you do not break a WR anymore clean. Been the same way in sprinting, cycling and cross country skiing, but distance running is magically immune? Be a fan of the sport by all means. But fans of distance running act like cycling fans 20 years ago in denying reality.
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Sore loser? I said she was potentially giving up a sure thing 5000m title to try this double. And she clearly would have won if she had just concentrated on defending it. But it was not to be. That is just being realistic. For the life of me I cannot figure out why you guys are bent out of shape over that.
That's the entitlement piece right here that I don't like. Nothing is a "sure thing". That's not how racing works. It's like saying "Touhy" is a 4:59 1500m runner. No she's not. Not until she runs that fast. She didn't win, and saying the "race is hers" before it happens and even after she scratches it, is poor form. Putting all this hype and pressure on her is also not healthy for her. And also she lost. She lost in the 1500 and the 5k (because not even making it to the starting line because of the decisions you've made in other races you've entered into in the same meet, is an L from my point of view).