This is it folks. You have seen peak Jakob. He may maintain for a few years but you have seen the best of him. No shame in that either as he is great. He is great for the sport. But he has stopped improving. No surprise there of course.
He's made you look like a right knob.
with a marginal improvement on his PB? Hardly.
Peak Jakob is now plateau Jakob. And no, 7:54 isn't generally beyond the reach of any endurance-based 3:28 guy who makes a serious attempt. It was to be expected.
On your mark, set, cope. But the faster you do, the more you know it's true.
Peak Jakob is now plateau Jakob. And no, 7:54 isn't generally beyond the reach of any endurance-based 3:28 guy who makes a serious attempt. It was to be expected.
On your mark, set, cope. But the faster you do, the more you know it's true.
That 2 mile w.r. breaking effort was similar to Harlem Globetrotters v. whomever saps they played.
Were the two gentlemen who raced 12:41.xx 5000m today invited to participate last week, 2 miles?
The thing about Jakob is he isn’t just the best 1500/mile guy in the world who broke the 2 mile world record last week, he is also the defending 5k world champion. How many guys have that range in fields so deep? How many of the guys in the Oslo 1500 today could even be competitive in another event at worlds? Katir for sure but not many others. He is so good I get why it’s not fun to root for him but he is drinking water during the world championship race he is giving post race interviews about how his competitors don’t try and run him down. He is on a different level
The thing about Jakob is he isn’t just the best 1500/mile guy in the world who broke the 2 mile world record last week, he is also the defending 5k world champion. How many guys have that range in fields so deep? How many of the guys in the Oslo 1500 today could even be competitive in another event at worlds? Katir for sure but not many others. He is so good I get why it’s not fun to root for him but he is drinking water during the world championship race he is giving post race interviews about how his competitors don’t try and run him down. He is on a different level
Exactly. I was watching the 5000 today in amusement that posters here would be rationalizing those guys ahead of Jakob.
i'm sure he gets the shakes from the thought of facing Kejelcha
appreciate the props to katir. What people don't get is Jakob is a winner, focused on winning. Ik he's gunning for world records but as long as he is still the best mid-d guy in the world, he doesn't have to always be linear with the improvement. He is also still very young
Yep! His fans might not want to be believe it because he’s still so young, but we have to remember he’s been training at a pro level since he was prepubescent. Because he started so early he reached his peak early. Now he is stuck on a plateau while the young Americans are improving and closing the gap fast. Jakob is number 1 for now but his days on top are numbered. Look for an American sweep at next year’s Olympics!!!
The Oslo DL shows I’m right! Jakob is still stuck on a plateau. Even with the adrenaline boost from running in his country, he could only manage to run just 0.37 faster. Meanwhile Nuguse improved by FOUR SECONDS!!!! The gap is closing fast just as I said.
Why are so many people downvoting my post? Everything I said is true.
Jakob is on the same 1500 level he’s been on the past two years. Granted, it’s a supreme level I could only dream of reaching, but it’s still the same level. His 0.37 “improvement” is equivalent to only 10 seconds in the marathon. If someone runs 10 seconds faster in a marathon than they did before, aren’t they still essentially on the same level?
Even if you disagree about Jakob being on a plateau, my main point is that the Americans are closing the gap fast. This is indisputably true. Before this year, the gap between Jakob and Nuguse at 1500 was 4.94 seconds. Now it’s only 1.07 seconds. The gap has been closed by 78 percent! The gap between Jakob and Kessler has been reduced by 23 percent.
I hope Jakob enjoys his time at the top while it lasts. The Americans are coming!
You can say you’re piling on but I so far feel vindicated in starting this thread. Jakob is NOT improving anymore. I see folks such as yourself as doubling down on dumb.
Jakob ran 12:48 two years ago. Jakob ran 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final two years ago. So although the 2 mile surprised me, I realize it should not have been shocking when Mottram ran 8:03 without super spikes. So what is interesting is that Jakob is no longer improving, but as I have stressed, perhaps he doesn’t need to in order to win global titles for awhile. I have been vindicated since I started this thread. Have I been 100% correct? No I misjudged how much the super spikes would help his 2 mile, and I am impressed with his consistency, but Jakob is a 3:27.95 runner as of now, and his 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final 2 years ago should have alerted the intelligent to this. If anything I am awaiting a result which could prove me wrong, and I sense I will be waiting a long time, as it will not occur. Nice try though.
You can say you’re piling on but I so far feel vindicated in starting this thread. Jakob is NOT improving anymore. I see folks such as yourself as doubling down on dumb.
Jakob ran 12:48 two years ago. Jakob ran 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final two years ago. So although the 2 mile surprised me, I realize it should not have been shocking when Mottram ran 8:03 without super spikes. So what is interesting is that Jakob is no longer improving, but as I have stressed, perhaps he doesn’t need to in order to win global titles for awhile. I have been vindicated since I started this thread. Have I been 100% correct? No I misjudged how much the super spikes would help his 2 mile, and I am impressed with his consistency, but Jakob is a 3:27.95 runner as of now, and his 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final 2 years ago should have alerted the intelligent to this. If anything I am awaiting a result which could prove me wrong, and I sense I will be waiting a long time, as it will not occur. Nice try though.
How to say you've never raced the 1500m without saying you've never raced the 1500m. or likely any distance.
How much time separates each of the top 6 1500m times ever? You think .37 seconds at that level is nothing? So Lagat is really the World record holder? Or, is his .34 seconds slower actually significant at that level?
You get these fat old hobby joggers who think lowering their marathon PB from 6 hours to 5 hours shows drastic improvement and have no clue that half a second when you are running below 3:28 for the 1500m is whole other universe of running.
You can say you’re piling on but I so far feel vindicated in starting this thread. Jakob is NOT improving anymore. I see folks such as yourself as doubling down on dumb.
Jakob ran 12:48 two years ago. Jakob ran 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final two years ago. So although the 2 mile surprised me, I realize it should not have been shocking when Mottram ran 8:03 without super spikes. So what is interesting is that Jakob is no longer improving, but as I have stressed, perhaps he doesn’t need to in order to win global titles for awhile. I have been vindicated since I started this thread. Have I been 100% correct? No I misjudged how much the super spikes would help his 2 mile, and I am impressed with his consistency, but Jakob is a 3:27.95 runner as of now, and his 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final 2 years ago should have alerted the intelligent to this. If anything I am awaiting a result which could prove me wrong, and I sense I will be waiting a long time, as it will not occur. Nice try though.
How to say you've never raced the 1500m without saying you've never raced the 1500m. or likely any distance.
How much time separates each of the top 6 1500m times ever? You think .37 seconds at that level is nothing? So Lagat is really the World record holder? Or, is his .34 seconds slower actually significant at that level?
You get these fat old hobby joggers who think lowering their marathon PB from 6 hours to 5 hours shows drastic improvement and have no clue that half a second when you are running below 3:28 for the 1500m is whole other universe of running.
Jakob ran 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final two years ago. Now he runs 3:27.95 in a race set up to run fast. Yes Jakob ran .37 faster. Yes that is AMAZING, absolutely AMAZING…but I saw it all coming. You see most do run their personal bests at 1500m in an Olympic Final. So Jakob was capable of 3:27.95 for the past couple years. I am looking for signs that Jakob is still improving. NEXT!
The above should read most do NOT run their personal bests at 1500m in an Olympic Final. Daniel Komen was a better runner than Jakob is. Give him the super spikes and he maybe runs 7:16.
Going out on a limb here, but when a guy runs a WR, he pretty much not only improved on his own PB but on the PB of every one in the history of the human race.
What will you say if he goes low 3:27 or sub 3:27 in one of the coming DL races (Lausanne and Silesia)?
IF Jakob were to run like 3:27.00, I would then have to concede that he has improved some (which would mean I was wrong) but I do not see that happening. However, without super spikes, Hicham has NINE times run faster than Jakob’s 3:27.95.
Going out on a limb here, but when a guy runs a WR, he pretty much not only improved on his own PB but on the PB of every one in the history of the human race.
You may fall off that limb because superspikes are a game changer. World records do not necessarily mean the athlete has improved and certainly not necessarily the human race. That 2 mile distance was rarely contested by elites.
What will you say if he goes low 3:27 or sub 3:27 in one of the coming DL races (Lausanne and Silesia)?
IF Jakob were to run like 3:27.00, I would then have to concede that he has improved some (which would mean I was wrong) but I do not see that happening. However, without super spikes, Hicham has NINE times run faster than Jakob’s 3:27.95.
What Hicham has run is completely irrelevant when judging your initial postulate that Jakob has peaked.
A postulate you - if you were an honest person - should by know have admitted was wrong!
You can say you’re piling on but I so far feel vindicated in starting this thread. Jakob is NOT improving anymore. I see folks such as yourself as doubling down on dumb.
Jakob ran 12:48 two years ago. Jakob ran 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final two years ago. So although the 2 mile surprised me, I realize it should not have been shocking when Mottram ran 8:03 without super spikes. So what is interesting is that Jakob is no longer improving, but as I have stressed, perhaps he doesn’t need to in order to win global titles for awhile. I have been vindicated since I started this thread. Have I been 100% correct? No I misjudged how much the super spikes would help his 2 mile, and I am impressed with his consistency, but Jakob is a 3:27.95 runner as of now, and his 3:28.32 in an Olympic Final 2 years ago should have alerted the intelligent to this. If anything I am awaiting a result which could prove me wrong, and I sense I will be waiting a long time, as it will not occur. Nice try though.
You WAS completely wrong about Jakob´s 2 mile ability! so you should by now have admitted that your initial postulate was wrong. WHY?
Because earlier in this thread you stated the following about Jakob´s current level (which he shouldn´t be able to improve from according to you):
" Because you are not very bright I will walk you through this. Jakob has stopped improving. Of course he could set some personal bests. So has Jakob ever tried to run a track 10000m? Surely even someone with your mind can grasp that if Jakob sets a personal best at 10000m this wouldn’t necessarily indicate he had improved as a runner. Plus I acknowledged at the very beginning that Jakob “may maintain for a few years,” which is to say that he could be in 3:29, 12:45, 7:25, 26:40 shape for a few years. This is no easy feat. So again if Jakob set a personal best, and I am specifically discussing events he hasn’t raced much if at all, this wouldn’t by itself constitute evidence that he had improved. This is all rather rudimentary stuff but I knew there would be plenty of obtuse folks like you who cannot grasp it. 1 10 2 weeks ago 05/29/2023 2:51pm EDT re: Pre-Fisher Reply Back To Index Pre-Fisher wrote: Jakob's aiming for the world record at the Paris DL on 9-June. This is all well and good but the fact that Jakob is aiming for a world record means very little. What I find interesting is that Jakob will be trying to run at least 4.9 seconds faster for 2 miles than Craig Mottram did (8:03.50) 16 years ago without super spikes. Should Jakob have a chance? One might think so but I don’t see Jakob breaking 8 minutes even with all the advantages."
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So you stated that Jakob wouldn´t improve from the level of 7:25 in the 3000m and 8 in the 2 mile EVEN WITH ALL THE ADVANTAGES.
Jakob ran almost 6 seconds faster in the 2 mile than you had postulated was his peak level.
You tried to rationalize that by pointing at the shoes but you can´t do that when you initially stated that it was with all the advantages (which includes the shoes).
You was also completely wrong about his 3000m ability. You stated is was 7:25. He ran 7:21 in the final 3000m of the 2 mile and his 2 mile WB seems equal to a 7:19 in the 3000m.
Finally: You also stated that his level in the 1500m was 3:29 ( a bit strange since he had run faster than that twice) so an improvement to 3:27.95 must be more than you expected?
I think you should give in now before Jakob improves his 1500 PB further in the next DL races making you look even more silly.
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