Shelby Houlihan joins The Running Effect Podcast again

Feel better now that you've hated on Shelby one more time?

How does the pork burrito story compare to "the jab gave me EPO"?

Less creative but funnier, especially when adding it all up, not to mention rekrunnr's additional fantasies in this thread.

But maybe some Zane "supporters" will soon make similarly hilarious remarks about the EPO vaccine, "defending" the story for years to come.

Until she tells the truth, she will not get a shred of respect from me.

But how can you know what the truth is in order to judge when she finally tells it? It doesn't matter what everyone believe it is or is not, as the truth is not decided by public vote.

How do you now she hasn't told the truth already, when she said she still doesn't know exactly where the one time ingestion of a low (according to WADA) amount came from?

Come on rekrunner, how often do you want to keep asking the same question?

Well stated. Shelby may well have believed what she told was correct from what her memory was telling her. However, it has been shown time and time again that people's memories fail them badly as more time passes by and events become less important. If anyone asked me 2 days after I ate something, I couldn't tell them what I ate or drank (except for my devouring Pepsi Cola :) ). I personally think Shelby's memory of the events of that day weren't complete, and that failed her, ultimately.

I look forward to Shelby coming back better than ever if that is her desire.

Until I get the truth.

@Rekrunner my dear chap, this is utter tosh, complete made up codswallop. It’s almost as funny as the burrito excuse.

Chorizo is a sausage made from pork meat.Sausages are simply skins (often animal intestines) stuffed with meat. In the case of chorizo, pork meat is the most widely used stuffing. The sausage as you say is usually spicy with typically paprika being used. If you want to fact check this, try

epicurious.com

What is Chorizo? 10 Things You Need to Know About The Spicy Sausage

Kristi Kellogg,Kerry Acker

Here's your guide to navigating the types of chorizo, learning how to cook with it, and enjoying spicy and delicious sausage.

Open link

, as you will see “It’s made of pork” in very large text.

Now my man, I think you have some apologising to do!

We don’t know anything . You may not even be a living person , just an AI program using random internet ads as a base for the coding or brain signals from a Dolphin or monkey or dog. They have determined dogs can learn over 200 words . I’m assuming you are a dolphin.

"My dear chap", "utter tosh", "codwallop" -- would that be Catalonian, or Mexican?

Apologizing? OK. I'm sorry to have to disagree. Let's fact-check you.

First, "It's made of pork" isn't strictly limited to just pork "meat", no matter how large the text. And it doesn't take me that long to find Mexican chorizo recipes that include "organ meats, salivary and pituitary glands, lymph nodes, hearts, lungs, and kidneys" along with "intestines" and is quite high in "pork fat".

Compare that list of ingredients to the AIU expert Prof. McGlone's list of where you can find higher androgen levels in pork: "kidneys, testes or liver" and elsewhere "other organs such as the kidney, fat, testes or salivary glands". AIU expert Prof. Ayotte also participated in research in 2008, feeding subjects liver, heart, and kidneys, with subjects reaching levels from 3-26x higher than the "low" (according to WADA) less than 10ng/ml levels found in Houlihan's samples. According to Prof. Ayotte's research, as little as half an ounce can produce Houlihan's levels.

The two-hatted AIU expert and WADA Lab Director, Prof. Ayotte, argued that the WADA lab results are conclusive because nandrolone cannot be found in high amounts in "boar meat", effectively ignoring the potential AIU-expert acknowledged nandrolone rich sources in the remaining ingredients in the pork stomach burritos for sale that day, that would have made the results inconclusive. An inconclusive determination would necessarily be considered an ATF, which is insufficient to bring the charge in the first place.

No amount of arguing the superfluous "nuh-uh -- there is too pig meat and pig stomach in pig stomach burritos" can cure this defect of ignoring any and all other ingredients that can be found in these greasy pork stomach burritos.

What a shame that you never told WA, Shelburrito or CAS about your glorious ideas, rekrunner.

Hahahahahaha 😀

She ordered a carne asada burrito and has the receipt to prove it.

These aren't my glorious ideas -- the CAS report tells us that Shelby knew her claim was not limited to just pork stomach and pork meat, and it tells us that the AIU experts rebutted a more limited claim of pork stomach and pork meat, while acknowledging that the nandrolone can be found in other organs, but yet failing to account for that fact.

But you are right that it is a shame that the anti-doping organization and their experts are not held to a higher standard inside the context of a WADA adjudication, that they would be in an academic setting.

It doesn't matter what she ordered, or what the receipt says, but what matters is what she actually received and ate. Several witnesses said she received and she ate a greasy burrito that she couldn't finish, and not a dry burrito, like a beef carne asada burrito.

On the other side, no one proved, nor can prove, she ingested an oral nandrolone precursor, as speculated by the AIU expert.

You don't stop do you.

Her "witnesses" were her two (2) friends, Courtney and Lindsey Frerichs, and it's likely Courtney might be on the same stuff Shelbo is.

If it was the wrong burrito, no one said they noticed or even mentioned it that night.

a positive test suggests she was taking a nandrolone precursor.

Rekrunner never stops. Drug cheats are disgusting liars, and so are their apologists.

I'm not the only one who won't stop -- I never start these threads, but they keep coming up. I didn't even listen to the podcast, but you did. In fact it was you, "here's a summary" who listened to the podcast so we don't have to, which you said "ignored the elephant in the room", and then made this thread about the "elephant in the room", resurrecting the beaten "dead horse".

You really only have yourself to blame.

You wanted the truth to come out -- so do I. I asked 10 "bigger" questions earlier, which were either not answered by the CAS report, or arise from inconsistencies in the CAS report. You want Shelby to tell the truth, and I want Profs. Ayotte and McGlone to tell the truth. One "pseudo-neutral observer" tried to answer three of the questions, and just 1) confirmed that one question was indeed not answered, 2) lied by saying "both sides exclusively", and 3) then proved me right about soy, before calling me a liar. Honestly the 10 questions were rhetorical, as if these questions are not answered by now, I do not expect them to be answered truthfully by fans who don't really know the truth.

Were you present that night? How can you truthfully say what no one said or mentioned that night? The CAS report is highly paraphrased, so we don't have complete witness testimony, just the CAS summary: "All witnesses that were present at the dinner testified or declared that the burrito was extremely greasy".