Molly Seidel Seeking TUE for Adderall - Will not run NYC Mini 10k

And there actually is a biological difference in how it manifests:

“There is a concrete difference between the prevalence of ADHD in boys versus girls. In one study of 2,332 twins and siblings, Anne Arnett, a clinical child psychologist at the University of Washington, found that a sex difference in diagnosis could be explained by differences in symptom severity: boys tended to have more extreme symptoms, and a broader distribution of symptoms, than girls.
“It's an actual neurobiological difference that we're seeing,” says Arnett. It’s not clear why that’s the case, but it could be that girls have a protective effect at the genetic level, she says.

But the true size of the difference is unclear.

When it comes to real-world diagnoses, boys far outweigh girls. In studies that look at who meets ADHD criteria in the population as a whole, however, the ratio still favours boys, but less so. Depending on which research you look at, the ratio of boys to girls with ADHD could be anywhere between 2:1 and 10:1.”

Personally I don't have a problem with her taking whatever vitamins she wants.

I always thought "ADHD" was a joke tho because it describes 95% of people I know.

can't argue with that. and rojo is gonna be on it within a week from the sounds of it, so get rid for some serious spam-trolling of the boards.

the thing is, if those 95% of the people you know tried adderall, vast majority prob wouldn't feel calmer, sleep better, etc. on it.

Nobody's spit roasting Shelby.

Because people who dope are always upfront and honest. Why would she admit to doping? It’s more likely she was on it before and is now trying to cover her tracks. You all are bunch of simps. You all believed Shelby was clean and now look at her. Keep believing those at the top are clean though.

Not from "just 10 minutes on google."

Isn't she the one who made up the ridiculous airplane and dating app stories? Why would anyone believe her now?

You've hit the nail on the head. Just as an albuterol inhaler would bring a non-asthmatic person up above normal, but brings an asthmatic person up to normal, so too do Adderall for those with ADHD. As long as it's taken in a dosage prescribed by a qualified psychiatric professional who has familiarity with the specifics of a patient's case, Adderall is an equalizer rather than an enhancer for those with a certain set of neurological conditions. For anyone else, it would absolutely provide an unfair advantage. It should also be noted that Adderall is a strictly controlled Schedule II drug (high risk for addiction or abuse), so unless you're obtaining it through illicit means (like the online prescribers or non-clinical diagnoses described by some in this thread) you should be regularly checking in with your psychiatrist to assess the effects it's having on you. From Molly's description of her situation, it sounds as though she's being very above-board and following the appropriate course of treatment as prescribed by qualified professionals.

But literally anyone who wants to can get diagnosed with ADHD. It's just an extra hoop to jump through but anyone can do it.

Same thing probably true of asthma. 90% of the Peloton has it. Lulz.

Might as well just make it all legal.

Are you sure? Is is possible that she was on it in college and it was how she got through college but got off when she went pro? now she realizes that she needs it for day to day life.

I don't think any of you know what the really affect of this drug is upon performance. To me the point is this--there are rules, which Molly Seidel is following. You may think the rules should be changed, but Molly is doing what she is supposed to do. She is making a request for an exemption, which she is entitled to do. You can argue that exemptions should not be granted. Fair enough. But I think it is unfair to compare Molly with those who have tried to cheat and then lied about it.

One of the reasons she may be an elite marathoner in the first place is due to ADHD.

chadd.org

What’s Up with Athletes and ADHD? - CHADD

Many young people with ADHD are drawn to sports, or encouraged to participate, as a way to manage ADHD symptoms. Research has frequently shown the benefits of sport activities for ADHD along with the physical health benefits....

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Running is a form of medication. At least she is being open about it. The issue with taking meds for ADHD is the body adapts over time, and it is very difficult to wean one’s self off the medication without feeling suicidal.

1) I believe Molly Seidel legitimately has ADHD. I take her on her word.

2) But in general, absofrickinlutely you can fake a diagnosis of ADHD. People go into doctors offices daily, by the thousands, faking pain to get pain medicine, faking ADHD to get adderall, faking anxiety to get xanax, faking disability to get disability payments, faking sick to get school and work note, exaggerating symptoms to get antibiotics they don't need, and so on. They keep going to doctors, PAs, nurse practitioners until one either buys their story, is in too much of a hurry to question it, or just doesn't care. Some might even work for a "massive corporate sponsor" that buys doctor to do such things. If you're someone on the receiving end of this malingering and fakery, you know its existence to be fact, as much as the sky being blue and water being wet. But if you don't see it every day, don't know people who have done it, or choose not to see it, then you'll think it doesn't happen.

Again, I do not think Molly Seidel is doing that. But people do it.

The problem most of you have is you have never been diagnosed by a medical professional as having ADHD. Your comparisons between what those who take Adderall who don't need it and those who do need it are skewed. If you don't have ADHD and take Adderall you'll have trouble slowing yourself down and since you are probably getting it through illegal channels, you are most likely on a very high dose. However, if you are diagnosed by a medical professional such as a psychiatrist as meeting the criteria of having ADHD and being prescribed Adderall, it has a calming effect and slows things down a bit. However, it has to be prescribed in the correct dose which can take some time. People with ADHD have a different brain chemical makeup than those who don't have ADHD. Adderall helps even everything out without making you feel like a zombie. Molly said it was life changing and helps with a number of her issues including her eating disorder. It sounds like they found the right dosage and it's working for her. Hopefully she gets her TUE and can compete again.

Chris Davis on Adderall made him a great hitter. He even said he could focus better. MLB, at the time, was cracking down on Adderall use and said the MLB doctors did not diagnose him with Adult ADHD. He couldn't focus at all and struggled greatly. MLB the next year diagnosed him with ADHD and allowed him on an extended release Adderall tablet that didn't help him. He was desperate and then got suspended for taking regular Adderall in his original dosage. He was never the same after that.

I agree with this, 100%.

Doesn’t matter for the NYC Mini 10k because Keira D’Amato is going to win that.

If anything you need more recovery because you’d be able to train harder than without it but doesn’t have a direct impact either way

I really don't see what the "doping benefit" would even be from Adderall.

I initially thought you were right but I think Molly took the time to explain herself and laid it out there. Maybe you were right at the time but we also didn't have the facts we have now.